Europe Model Welfare State that American Liberals love can't sustain itself!

[Christians4LessGvt]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11154553/Dam-breaks-in-Europe-as-deflation-fears-wash-over-ECB-rhetoric.html

[sirs]

Simply unsustainable. 

I read somewhere recently, how one of the left's favorite countries to compare the U.S. to is the Swiss, especially as it relates to registering all weapons, apparently just voted down yet another liberal pillar....the single payer government run health care system, and keeping an all private system that its been running for ..... a looooong time.  Add to that how they voted down a raise in the minimum wage and voted down an attempt to implement higher taxes on "the rich", just becasue they are, has me thinking about possibly investing in a nice Swiss Chalet now   ;-)

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yeah. you should go do that.

The most conservative parties in Switzerland are to the LEFT of US Democrats, by the way.

And no, Switzerland is not going to collapse, either.

[sirs]

Who said Switzerland was going to collapse?  On the contrary, the electorate there seems to be the most rational group in all of Europe, as they vote down more and more progressive liberal/socialist efforts to expand. HARDLY to the left of DC Democrats   

[Xavier_Onassis]

Go there and find out for yourself, genius.

[sirs]

Don't need to...I can read how they're voting
- Voted down a minimum wage increase
- Voted down increased taxation of "the rich"
and my favorite
- just voted down a single payer government run healthcare system, in order to keep to their ALL PRIVATE healthcare

[Plane]

, especially as it relates to registering all weapons, .....

I think this is an error, they register certain classes of firearm .

Such that a revolver or shotgun would not need to be registered , but an M-1 would be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland


This website is of the Swiss equivalent of the NRA.
http://www.protell.ch/de/

There was an increase in gun registration in 2008, with little effect on anything.

I think the Swiss were behaving pretty well without the regulation.

[sirs]

I sit corrected Plane, thanks. 

[Christians4LessGvt]

Simply unsustainable. 

That's why liberalism is a myth....a fraud doctrine...
it is unsustainable to pretend money grows on trees
and that the Gvt is Santa Claus to hand out "Free Goodies".

[sirs]

And here's a few more fraudulant premises that the liberal left employs, on the social side.  As accurately referenced by John Hawkins:

….If you oppose illegal immigration, you must hate Hispanics.
….If you oppose Affirmative Action, you must hate blacks.
….If you oppose free birth control, you must hate women.
….If you’re concerned about radical Islam, you must hate all Muslims.
….If you oppose gay marriage, you must hate gays.

Yet, liberalism promotes those lies incessantly to keep people at each other’s throats. Liberals have to convince their supporters that they’re hated for who they are to keep them from asking uncomfortable questions about why liberalism fails, both economically & socially and conservatism works

[Xavier_Onassis]

Switzerland's biggest problem in recent years is that the Swiss Franc has become very popular to the degree that its value has soared. This has made Swiss products so expensive that have difficulty competing. Switzerland is a small nation and not a member of the EC.

[sirs]

Ummm....ok

[Plane]

     I think conservatism can fail in different ways than liberalism.

     The most rational thing to do would be to evaluate every idea on practicality on its own merits.

     But there is a team to join , and without team play nothing gets done and no one gets elected.

    So you wind up with a system too pure to work, pretty often.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I don't think one calls Switzerland a "Model Welfare State"  Nowhere in this screed did it say that Switzerland was having trouble sustaining itself, either.
Switzerland has a national health plan uses private insurance companies, rather than a government-run plan. That is why it referred ti so often.

The Swiss Franc is a strong currency,and that has attracted lots of people to buy Swiss Francs, which  are therefore in short supply, and therefore have increased in value. That makes Swiss watches, chocolates, army knives and other exports expensive and non-competitive. This is NOT the fault of Socialism or of the Swiss at all. They are being punished for managing their Franc better than Europe does the Euro or Hungary does the Florin, and so forth.

[Plane]

    Yes the Swiss cannot live in a vacuum, their economy is  interdependent even if they try not to be.


     What is the rest of Europe doing that they could have done better?