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« on: October 23, 2014, 08:48:17 PM »
 The True History of Blowback in One Sentence
Thursday, 23 October 2014 09:03 By William Rivers Pitt, Truthout | Op-Ed

   

Since you're probably wondering why the Canadian Parliament was shot up and your friendly neighborhood police officer is driving a tank and your savings account is a sad joke and your road is littered with potholes and you can't find a job and three of your friends who joined the Army to pay for college died in Iraq and Afghanistan and two others have brain trauma from IED explosions and won't ever be the same and your tap water is flammable and the ocean is coming for your home, well...

...let me introduce you to the concept of "blowback," which author Chalmers Johnson explained as "another way of saying that a nation reaps what it sows," which basically means that when you punch someone in the face, odds are very good that you're going to get punched back, and maybe they land that counterpunch, or maybe they don't, but that fist is going to come whistling at your face, count on it, and if it misses, there is always another fist, curled and hard and ready to fly...

...so let's talk about blowback, the story of which began seventy-three years ago at Pearl Harbor, when we were attacked by the Japanese Empire, and the United States entered the war in Europe and Asia simultaneously, and President Roosevelt endeavored to manufacture the Reich and the Empire out of existence, and placed the American economy on a wartime footing to do so, and in the fullness of time, it worked, and the war was over...

...but actually, it never ended, because the manufacture of war materiel made the manufacturers rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they began to exert influence over American politics, and then FDR died, and Harry Truman took the big chair, and then George Kennan, the American Ambassador to the Soviet Union, wrote what has come to be known as the "Long Telegram," in which he described the bedlam of Stalin and Soviet intentions, and Truman along with a bunch of other people read it, and it scared the cheese out of them, and so the National Security Act of 1947 was passed, making America's economic wartime footing a permanent thing that endures to this day, and thus the Cold War was born...

...which was bully news for the weapons manufacturers who got rich on WWII, because now they were indispensable as a matter of policy, "national security" assets, and before long, tank after tank and warship after warship and nuclear missile after nuclear missile and bullet after bullet and rifle after rifle and bomb after bomb rolled down the production lines, each and every one paid for with tax dollars collected from an American populace which was led to believe this was all vitally necessary because the readers of Kennan's telegram decided the thing to do was to make sure everyone felt threatened because a fearful populace is easily controlled...

...and so the Cold War unfolded, and in the words of Stephen King, O my Lord how the money rolled in, because conflict for conflict's sake became the operational ethos in Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia and Africa and South America and Central America and especially in the Middle East for decades, and in the process of this multi-generational permanent state of conflict the weapons manufacturers became wealthier and wealthier, and more and more powerful, and exerted that power on the body politic of the United States to such a degree that they eventually began purchasing the news media brick by brick, so the people would hear day after day how the corporations who profit from war are actually keeping them safe and stuff...

...and this went on and on, growing and expanding, even to far-flung places like Afghanistan, where big brains like Zbignew Brzezinski decided in 1978 to give the USSR its own Vietnam, and began a process that Reagan eventually took over to underwrite the Mujeheddin, who took on the Soviet Union and learned, with the help of American money and American weapons and a CIA ally named Osama bin Laden, how to take down a superpower, which they eventually did before metastasizing into the Taliban and al Qaeda...

...because Brzezinski's original plan was to arm, train and fund anti-Soviet fighters in Pakistani religious schools to destabilize Afghanistan and dare the Soviets to invade, and that plan was executed, and it worked, and the word "Taliban" when translated means "Religious student," so congratulations, Zbignew, for kicking the pebble down the hill that turned into an avalanche which came in the fullness of time to deprive the New York City skyline of two very tall buildings and the thousands of people who were in them on a perfect blue Tuesday thirteen years ago...

...which led, of course, to another decade of war after all the other decades of war that came on the heels of Pearl Harbor and the National Security Act, which has in this brave new moment led to ISIS, as well as a dementedly paranoid United States that doesn't blink at cops dressed and armed like soldiers while driving tanks down Main Street because OMG TERRORISTS YOU GUYS...

...but when you stop and think about it, really think about it, when you attach thread to thread and event to event and actually put context to history, you realize that everything that has gone wrong and sideways in this country - the lack of money for roads and bridges and education and health care and old people and veterans and schools, the hyper-militarization of the police, the end of big dreams and the permanent establishment of big fears and eternal war...

...can be traced back to the process by which the United States stopped being a country and was transformed into a war-financed empire, an exporter and importer of violence, a creator of enemies it has to fight in order to feed the machine, which creates more enemies, which creates more reasons to fight, and all the while the weapons dealers sell their products as fast as they can, until we arrive at the present moment when American warplanes are dropping American armaments on American weapons in Iraq and Syria to the tune of billions of your taxpayer dollars and with wall-to-wall television coverage, again...

....so, when you sit in the darkness of your personal night and wonder what happened to your country, to your aspirations and dreams, to the potholed road you drive every day to the job that has no chance of letting you retire in comfort, to your barren savings account, when you turn on your television and see paid shills shriek about how and why you're about to die while your neighbor's kid comes home in a flag-draped box and you have to ask again where your black suit is so you can go properly dressed to yet another funeral...

...remember that history exists, and actions have consequences, and this event is tied to that event is tied to the other event in a tapestry of escalating cascading fallout, which is called "blowback," which always carries a dear price unless you're getting paid for it, which is why you think very hard before making a lethal national decision, because every lethal decision always comes knocking at your door someday...

... which is why we as a people must absolutely endeavor to do better from here on out, because we are already in a deep hole, and The First Law Of Holes says, "When you're in a hole, stop digging..."

...so, please, put down the shovel.
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Re: Blowback
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2014, 10:07:48 PM »
  Obviously not a history student.

   Our economy has never been the worse for war since 1870 or so, and even then it was down on the southern half , the north was booming.

  WWI did not cause the great depression, and WWII did not leave us worse off than when we started it.

    Vietnam just happened to coincide with a booming economy, much as the blasting of the Serbs coincided with a booming economy.

     The way to be ruined by war is to loose one.

     Now you may argue that the spending on war materiel that the Soviet Union  could not support was a big part of their downfall, but they were trying to outspend a healthier economy , ours.

    If we need to spend more on infrastructure , it is because we need that infrastructure, not because we need that spending.

    If we need to spend on defense it is because we need that defense , and having defense that is inadequate is more expensive than any thing else you can imagine.

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2014, 10:12:30 PM »
The True History of Blowback in One Sentence
Thursday, 23 October 2014 09:03 By William Rivers Pitt, Truthout | Op-Ed

   

Since you're probably wondering why the Canadian Parliament was shot up and your friendly neighborhood police officer is driving a tank and your savings account is a sad joke and your road is littered with potholes and you can't find a job..........


If he was willing to make a very long sentence , he could have started with the visions of Mohammed.

And he could have included the ham handed drawing of new borders by the European victors of WWI.

Or the embargo of war materiel that the US put against Japan in the late 30's.

There is a lot to include.

But if you concentrate only on the stuff that the USA is at fault about, you can fit it all on one page.

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2014, 11:19:12 PM »
Afghanistan was definitely caused by Brezinski's plan to avenge the Katin massacre.

The ayatollah would never have come to power had the US allowed the democratically elected  and secular Mossadeagh to remain in power. Imposing the Shah on Iran was a CIA/M5 plot that has cost us dearly and is still costing us.

The Cold War was largely unnecessary for our defense.
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Re: Blowback
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2014, 11:49:34 PM »


The Cold War was largely unnecessary for our defense.

Oh?

What would have happened if we had refused to play?

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2014, 03:18:47 PM »
Nothing, other than we would have a lot more money, since we had far more weapons than we ever used.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2014, 04:17:50 PM »
  Obviously not a history student.

    The way to be ruined by war is to loose one.

    If we need to spend more on infrastructure , it is because we need that infrastructure, not because we need that spending.

    If we need to spend on defense it is because we need that defense , and having defense that is inadequate is more expensive than any thing else you can imagine.


BINGO!!
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2014, 04:47:06 PM »
This country had many, many times more weapons than the USSR.
The military industrial complex made voters pay vastly more for weapons than were required.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2014, 05:40:55 PM »
Actually, that would be in error.  One of the issues that was always alluded to, when it came to communist Russia vs our military weaponry was that what we, as the U.S., lagged behind Russa in the amount of weapons.  As in, basically for every 1 U.S. F-15, Russans had 10+ Su-27's.  Those aren't absolute #'s, just the gist of the point.....What we lacked in the quantity of weapons, compared to Russia, we made up for in the quality of weaponry

So it'd been more accurate for you to opine that this country had many many more times the quality of weapons, compared to the USSR

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2014, 06:41:17 PM »
Whatever the case, the US was never more poorly equipped than the Soviets, and the Soviets had no plans to invade the US, certainly not after the death of Stalin. We were told bf a missile gap and a weapons gap because the arms industry made huge profits on these useless things and politicians discovered that by claiming that the US was unprepared they could scare voters into voting for them.

We may have needed to have the bombs to destroy the USSR three times over, but we ended up with enough to destroy them a hundred times over, and to pay for all the weaponsa, we wasted money that could have been spend far better on education and infrastructure.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2014, 06:47:58 PM »
Point being, we didn't have near the amount of weaponry that the USSR had.  Nor was this about Russia planning some invasion of the U.S. (arguing a point, no one is making again).  There was no magic # of bombs that we needed to have.  We simply needed to educate to USSR the futility of trying to spread communism across the region, analogus to Germany trying to spread Fascism across the region, back in the late 1930's

There is tons of waste, right here in the middle of our own domestic back yard, that can be going towards infrastructure.  I don't mention edication, because we already pay a mint for education, in the amout tax payers pay per pupil.  More money has never been the answer, as history has been demonstrating over the last 3+ decades
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2014, 08:44:33 PM »

We may have needed to have the bombs to destroy the USSR three times over, but we ended up with enough to destroy them a hundred times over, and to pay for all the weaponsa, we wasted money that could have been spend far better on education and infrastructure.

Not so much. There was probably enough Atomic weapons to destroy the USSR utterly, but not a lot more than enough to be sure of this.

Bearing in mind that there was also provision for the US to be struck first and still have a credible response.

If we had relied entirely on the Nuclear umbrella the entire program would have been relatively cheap.


The larger expense was in keeping enough weapons and trained personnel to have a credible conventional deterrent.

      You may know that the US kept a lot of tanks stationed in Europe , but there were never more than 10% the number of tanks that the USSR had.

  Most of the time that we are speaking of the US had a much larger Navy, and the USSR had a much larger Army.

     I don't think that the "domino theory" was an invention of the Whitehouse, I think it was a correct reading of Kremlin intent.






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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2014, 11:14:35 PM »
The problem of education is that the money is distributed very unequally. Some school districts have seven times as much money per pupil as others.  Just throwing statistics around is deceptive and useless.  The richest school districts generally do a very good job, the poorest ones do not. This is because schools are funded with property taxes, and the value of property varies enormously.
The fact is that the US pissed away many fortunes on the Cold War and it was mostly wasted. Vietnam was a hideous waste of lives and money and wrecked natural resources as well.
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2014, 10:01:09 AM »
Afghanistan was definitely caused by Brezinski's plan to avenge the Katin massacre.



This fits the thread title .

Stalin's actions and choices built up bad karma in mountains .

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2014, 12:41:58 PM »
It was asinine for Brezenski to screw up an entire country for decades because of the execution of several dozen Polish elite forty years earlier.
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