Blowback

[Plane]

It was asinine for Brezenski to screw up an entire country for decades because of the execution of several dozen Polish elite forty years earlier.

It was asinine for Brezenski to screw up aid or rescue an entire country for decades everbecause of the execution of several dozen hundreds of Polish elite Teachers and Doctors forty years earlier.



There that is better.

Stalin did not accidentally shoot the educated class , that was part of his plan .

The Polish made it easy for him by making most of their educators and doctors reserve officers.

Foolish wasn't it, to make their invasion resistance depend on their intelligent and educated?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Fucking up the lives of millions of Afghans for two generations served no purpose. The Russians were not taught a lesson by this, as those who assassinated the Poles were all either dead of feeble, powerless old men 35 years after the fact.

Brzenski and Henry Kissinger have cause this country mostly trouble, death and impoverishment for no purpose.

[Plane]

Fucking up the lives of millions of Afghans for two generations served no purpose. The Russians were not taught a lesson by this, as those who assassinated the Poles were all either dead of feeble, powerless old men 35 years after the fact.

Brzenski and Henry Kissinger have cause this country mostly trouble, death and impoverishment for no purpose.

   This must be the reason that you blame the Communists for making such a mess of Vietnam for two generations or more.

     The USSR learned the hard way that their system was vulnerable to the same things ours was , if not more so.

     There were a lot of things that played together to end the evil empire , this being one of the large and proximate to the end ones.

      Of course if the Russians had learned something , they might have turned nationally against empire building, so I think you are right to say that the Russians didn't learn what they could have from their Afghan experience.

[Xavier_Onassis]

No one rescued Afghanistan from the Soviets. The Russians got along with the Afghans for decades. Brzenski got  money from the Saudis and encouraged them to send Wahhabbi missionaries into Afghanistan and across the border into the Soviet "stans". That created a threat to the Soviets and they took over Afghanistan to get rid of the Muslim threat. Then the US sent aid to the Afghan Taliban to drive the Russians out. The war destroyed everything modern about Afghanistan, ruined the infrastructure, sent them back fifty years. It was an evil evil ploy. Brzenshki is an obsessed and evil man, just like Kissinger.

[Plane]

  That describes the situation of Vietnam pretty closely too.

  The Cold war was fought with surrogates .

     We even lost some battles , but if we had not fought , the USSR would have fought without opposition.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The USSR was not fighting in Vietnam. They sent some supplies and provided a small number of advisers.

Vietnam was a civil war between factions among the Vietnamese, begun because the US refused to go along with the Treaty that the French signed with the North Vietnamese. It was unnecessary and should never have been fought. the criminals that caused it were John Foster Dulles and his CIA boss brother Allen.

[Plane]

The USSR was not fighting in Vietnam. They sent some supplies and provided a small number of advisers.

Yes, that sounds a lot like Carters conflict in Afghanistan.

Where Russian personnel were there a lot more than Americans,

Also there were more Russians and Cubans in Vietnam than you might expect,

[Xavier_Onassis]

How many do you think I expect?

The guys in the black pajamas were not Russians or Cubans.

Carter was bamboozled by Brezinski and others in Congress to destroying Afghanistan to save it.
The war there was prolonged by the US arming the mujahadin, who became the Taliban, with the help of the Saudis.

It is hard to imagine a country more ruined by war than Afghanistan. And Brezinski was to blame for the Soviets invading in the first place.

[Plane]

How many do you think I expect?

   Mostly it was the crews of the Anti Aircraft missiles and radars.

    Tho there were advisors and educators also.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Afghanis were merely pawns to Brzenski in his desire to avenge himself on the Russians. Millions of peopel were sacrificed by his evil and stupid ploy.
And Stalin, being dead for decades, of course, knew nothing of it.

[Plane]

  Worked well to weaken the Evil Empire, better than the Job Vietnam did to the USA.

    You had a better idea to bring down the Soviet regime?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The war in Afghanistan did not bring down the USSR. That was done by technology. They could not progress without computers, and they could not repress dissidents if they introduced computers.

And, no, Reagan dod not end the "Evil Empire" either. It collapsed due to internal pressures, such as technology as I said.

[Plane]

Technology seemed to help.

But if it were threatened by technology alone they could have forbidden the stuff.

The technology had to be adopted to be competitive , so the irritation of a new disseminator of  information was tolerated .

If we were less competitive forbidding the stuff might have worked .

There were a lot of factors piling up , this is why Gorbachev asked Reagan for some relief, Reagan said no of course because he didn't need to save the Evil Empire from collapse.

I don't think President Carter gets enough credit for mongering the Afghan war that helped bring down the USSR.

Team effort ! 

[Xavier_Onassis]

The thing was that the technology cannot be altered to fit a totalitarian state. CD's, pin drives, micro SD chips from cameras, all can be used to transport text and lectures from one place to another. Even North Korea is having a lot of trouble with these. The Soviets could have a technologically advanced country or an oppressive society, but not both.  The Chinese have taken advantage of the fact that China is a much more homogenous population than the USSR and the average Chinese favors prosperity over divergent ideology. And of course, China has a capitalist economy, or at least an economy that depends heavily on capitalism.

Brzenski destroyed Afghanistan to take his own personal revenge. He is right up there with Kim Il Sung as one of the nastiest people in the XX Century.

[Plane]

  If the Soviets were not in competition with a better idea , dissemination of information would be tolerable to them.


     Don't be so down on President Carter I don't think he is nearly so mean as you are painting him.