Voter ID snowballs

[Plane]

       This is a good article , but it let loose one of those ambush adverts that are really annoying.
       I hope that the ad is not a feature of the site.

      Anyway it seems the results of voter ID are starting to roll in, and very few of the results are complaints.

       Almost three quarters of the population like Voter ID/
        Where Voter ID requirements have been implemented there was no sign of reduction in minority participation.

        Does it seem odd that with no sign at all that voter ID has any negative effect on voter participation, that the Republican party still likes the idea?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-losing-long-war-against-voter-id/article/2554195

........ was shocking to voter ID opponents that the Supreme Court’s 6-3 majority decision was written not by a conservative justice but by John Paul Stevens, a liberal. The court held that Indiana’s photo ID law was constitutional and did not “qualify as a substantial burden on the right to vote, or even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.” Attempts by the NAACP and the American Civil Liberties Union to persuade the Indiana Supreme Court to toss out the voter ID law also failed. Indiana’s law has been in place ever since, with none of the problems that plaintiffs predicted.

It was the same in Georgia. The state’s voter ID law went into effect in 2008 after it was challenged and upheld in both federal and state court. With the law in place, voter turnout has consistently increased, with 65 percent of the black voting-age population casting ballots in 2008, compared with 54.4 percent in 2004. Even without Obama on the ballot, the pattern held: While only 42.9 percent of registered black Georgians voted in 2006, 50.4 percent voted in 2010.

And Tennessee? Yes, another failure for voter ID’s opponents. Tennessee’s law went into effect in 2012. U.S. District Judge J. Ronnie Greer applied the rule set out by the U.S. Supreme Court, noting that “whether the plaintiff likes it or not, Crawford is the controlling legal precedent.”

On the eve of the 2012 general election, South Carolina won a $3.5 million battle to protect its voter ID law against Holder’s efforts to kill it. A three-judge panel dismissed the attorney general’s claim that the law was discriminatory under the Voting Rights Act. The law went into effect with no reports of problems.................

[Xavier_Onassis]

It has clearly had an an impact on voting. That is why the GOP likes it.

[sirs]

Almost three quarters of the population like Voter ID/

        Where Voter ID requirements have been implemented there was no sign of reduction in minority participation.

So ......what's the huge racist problem that supposedly exists with voter ID again??  The question then becomes, why don't the Democrats like it??

[Plane]

It has clearly had an an impact on voting. That is why the GOP likes it.

Nope.

Where it has been implemented minority voting has not diminished even slightly.


so...

False alarm there.

[Xavier_Onassis]

After the election, there will be many stories about how this prevented people from voting.

[sirs]

Before the election, I'd be far more concerned about the plethora of folks who would be illegally voting

[Plane]

After the election, there will be many stories about how this prevented people from voting.

Why wait ?

There were already several elections in states requiring ID.

Press was present , poll watchers , everything necessary.

You could be saying "I told You So " already.


Hey , why hasn't the negative effect of ID requirement on elections we have already had made the first page ?

[sirs]

BINGO!!

[Plane]

I really like this article.

Even though in-person voter fraud isn’t rampant, it is easy for fraudsters to commit it without getting caught. New York City’s Department of Investigation last year detailed how its undercover agents claimed at 63 polling places to be individuals who were in fact dead, had moved out of town, or who were in jail. In 61 instances, 97 percent of the time, they were allowed to vote. (To avoid skewing results, they voted only for nonexistent write-in candidates.) How did the city’s Board of Elections respond? Did it immediately probe and reform them sloppy procedures? Not at all. It instead demanded that the investigators be prosecuted. Most officials don’t want to admit how vulnerable election systems are, but privately they express worry that close elections could be flipped by fraud.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-losing-long-war-against-voter-id/article/2554195

.... are discriminatory. Many also say fraud isn’t a serious issue. Rather than fighting such laws, however, they should be working to ensure that everyone can easily obtain an ID.

....the same in Georgia. The state’s voter ID law went into effect in 2008 after it was challenged and upheld in both federal and state court. With the law in place, voter turnout has consistently increased, with 65 percent of the black voting-age population casting ballots in 2008, compared with 54.4 percent in 2004. Even without Obama on the ballot, the pattern held: While only 42.9 percent of registered black Georgians voted in 2006, 50.4 percent voted in 2010.

It isn't a long article , but it answers all the important objections to voter ID quite well.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Florida legislature has not gone out of its way to make sure everyone has an ID.

It is run by an assortment of asshole Republicans. One example:the legislature refused to pass a law against wage theft, so that wnen a worker works 50 hours and is paid for 39, he can appeal to a state office and get paid what he is due without getting fired. So Miami-Dade and Broward Counties passed local laws with an office to prevent this sort of evil treatment.

What did the Republican'ts do? They passed a state law banning any of the other 65 counties from passing similar laws.

They for government of the bosses, by the bosses and for the bosses and deserve to  perish from this Earth.

[Plane]

  How well does this law work? In the community that enacted it?

  If a person worked 50 hours and got paid for 39 the employer is in violation of federal law and there is already a court for enforcing the minimum wage law.


I was not there when this was discussed , but with only what you have told me here , I would have voted against the ordinance because I would not want to spend county money on something that was entirely redundant to what the Feds were already doing.

  I had a job like that once , I didn't get fired , the employer left town on payday.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is NOT redundant. What happens is the Feds do nothing useful when wage theft is reported. If they do anything, it is to interview the employer and inform him of the complaint. At this point the employee gets fired. Then the Feds do nothing.

The local ordinance is NOT redundant, because the Feds are useless.

[sirs]

Actually, you're describing the current state of fraudulent voting in this country, whereby the votes are cast, the election is finalized, only to find out later, that the margin of error was exceeded by just enough illegal votes.  It's the main reason Al Franken became senator.  But the Feds do nothing when actual voter fraud is discovered, AFTER THE FACT, or in the case of the Black Panthers, voters are intimidated.

You're right, the Feds are useless.  Best folks obtain a simple ID to take part in something so sacrosanct in this country, that could lead to folks who improperly became elected, like Mr Franken

[Plane]

It is NOT redundant. What happens is the Feds do nothing useful when wage theft is reported. If they do anything, it is to interview the employer and inform him of the complaint. At this point the employee gets fired. Then the Feds do nothing.

The local ordinance is NOT redundant, because the Feds are useless.

  Dang !

     That is a very good point!

   My unit was visited by OSHA recently, our supervisors were in full funk, no work occurred anywhere near the inspectors.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Wage theft comes under the NLRB. There is a fix in on the appointment of NLRB officials. In so-called "right to work" states, where the legislature is dominated by Republicans, NLRB appointees are  pro-employer and anti-employee. Only in states withh Democratic legislatures and no so-called "right to work" laws are NLRB people pro-worker.

Because we have a Republican dominated legislature and an asshole Republican governor in FL, the workers are screwed. They will never get the wages due them.
If they report wage theft to the NLRB, they will be ratted out by the officials and they will almost certainly get fired, or get their hours cut.