the natural progression of Liberalism....usually leads to insanity

[sirs]

BINGO!

[Xavier_Onassis]

Birth is a logical limit, and is hardly arbitrary.

[Plane]

Birth is a logical limit, and is hardly arbitrary.

Why?

It is a big event in a persons life , but the person is not in any real way created that day.

I don't see how logic applies.

[Xavier_Onassis]

If you cannot tell the difference between a fetus inside a woman and a live baby outside, then you are impervious to logic.

[sirs]

Can you?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Damn fuckin A right I can!

[sirs]

How bizarre.....both with fully formed bodies, hands, fingers, ears, eyes, brain, circulatory system, nervous system, pain receptors.  Where's their physical difference?

[Plane]

Damn fuckin A right I can!

  I am not convinced.

    There is a small difference between a Fetus a month before birth and a child born a month before.

   There is a greater difference between a 12 and a 17 year old , and even more difference between a 20 year old and a 55 year old , but these are differences deemed not important to the citizenship or the personhood before the law.

  Pointing out obvious difference is not sufficient , it used to be argued that the differences between the races were large and significant enough to make one race fit for citizenship and another not , the difference was there alright , but it was never true logic because differences were accepted that had nothing to do with citizenship itself.

 

[sirs]

Damn fuckin A right I can!

  I am not convinced.

    There is a small difference between a Fetus a month before birth and a child born a month before.

The only real difference is geography

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am unconvinced.
 I am not pro-abortion, I am simply in favor of pregnant women making the decision for themselves. The same way that you have the right to take up parasailing or rock climbing or parachute jumping. It is a personal decision, and a fetus is not a thinking entity. 

I am opposed to you clowns using the government to impose rules on women.

[sirs]

I am unconvinced.

Yet unable to demonstrate a clear difference, despite your claim that "Damn fuckin A right I can!".  You're running out of excuses, I'm afraid to say

I am not pro-abortion,

Since this issue is specifically about abortion, yes, you are.  This isn't a "choice" issue, since conservatives like me agree that a woman should have every choice option she wants, and is available....so long as it doesn't kill the unborn child.  Makes this anti-abortion vs pro-abortion.....period

[Plane]

I am unconvinced.
 I am not pro-abortion, I am simply in favor of pregnant women making the decision for themselves. The same way that you have the right to take up parasailing or rock climbing or parachute jumping. It is a personal decision, and a fetus is not a thinking entity. 

I am opposed to you clowns using the government to impose rules on women.

  Isn't it more like my right to throw another person off a cliff sans parachute?

  If thinking is the requirement , I know a lot of adults that don't qualify.

   And more who barely do .

    Should there be some test?

     By the way , though no fetus has ever turned in a doctorial thesis , they all dream.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I would be pro abortion only if I advocated all pregnant women being aborted.

I am only in favor of the woman having the right to decide for herself, without you using the government to force he to do your bidding and to bring an unwanted child into the world. One which you will not support.

[Plane]

  Should we kill everyone that I do not support?

   Women are not being aborted at all , it is the children's lives that are being cut short.

   

[sirs]

I would be pro abortion only if I advocated all pregnant women being aborted.

Speaking of making no sense        Pro-abortion, in the current lexicon of reality, is advocating that it's ok for any unborn child to be aborted.  Kind of impossible to abort a woman, already born

So, again, we're back to square one, where conservatives support a woman's right to decide for herself anything she wants.....short of aborting an unborn child, in which there are thousands of families who would openly want him or her. 

And you don't even want to try playing the notion you don't support the Government to force people to do your bidding.  Every fricken regulation and mandate that comes down from DC that the left supports is precisely that.  You'd even use the government to force people to be stripped of their 2nd amendment right, if you had the power.  And no, don't try playing the literal card, the point is rhetorical