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Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« on: November 11, 2014, 02:44:14 AM »
boy oh boy......this fella is truly a breath of fresh honest air.

Rewind a bit....this fella, one of the chief architects to Obamination Care, who was on record making it painfully clear that when the law was "written", ONLY those states that started their own healthcare exchanges, would receive Federal subsidies.  Expecting of course, that the vast majority of the states would do all the heavy lifting of implementing this piece of legislative garbage. 

Fast forward a bit, and uh ohhh, most of the states told the Fed to do it yourself.  Now, what to do with all those millions of foils that won't receive any federal subsidies?  We pretend the law never meant to exclude those states....we'll just say the law meant to include it, but just wasn't worded right.  Riiiiight.

Fast forward to current time.....in an honorable moment of brutal honesty, Mr Gruber is now on record has indicating the law was written to be purposely vague, not only to fool "stupid Americans", but the CBO as well, in order to "score the law, not as a tax", when everyone knew it iwas, validated by Judge Roberts' SCOTUS ruling.  He went on to also indicate, that if the American people knew what the law really was, they'd have never supported it (news flash Mr Gruber, they never did to begin with). 

Once again, we have a window into the elitist left, who just knows better than the rest of us, and in this case, a rhetorical smoking gun, that if it takes lying to us stupid Americans to pass a law, then so be it.........ends justifying the means.
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"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 09:11:39 AM »
I saw that this morning, so...

Is this elitist attitude common in the administration?

Does the president hire people that think this way because he also ....

anyway

A gaffe is when a person in power says what he really thinks.

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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 10:37:57 AM »
I saw that this morning, so...

Is this elitist attitude common in the administration?


Yep....you see it with everything else....from Fast & Furious, to Benghazi, to the IRS, to the VA.  You see that same attitude and them some.....leave us alone, we know better


Does the president hire people that think this way because he also ....

Unless he's grossly incompetent, yea, you surround yourself with like minds, especially when it comes to your pet projects.


"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 12:46:17 PM »
Elitists are the ones who think of decent health care for all, regardless of income, as a bad thing.
The Kochs are elitists. The National Chamber of Commerce is festering with elitists. The GOP is the elitist party. The 'baggers are poboy elitists.
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 12:50:23 PM »
Not when its payed for with other people's $$$$.  Elitists are those who think they know better and will lie, or whatever else they have to do unethically, illegally, or even unconstitutionally, to implement what they deem to know better.  And screw the repercussions

None of that can be applied to any of your deflection examples, I'm afraid
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 12:50:56 PM »
Be afraid......be very afraid!!!!
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 12:54:29 PM »
...of the ends justifying the means approach the luntatic left employs when ever it can??  Even when stomping on the Constitution??  You bet.  The country should be very afraid at what's trying to be pulled
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2014, 01:03:16 PM »
This commentary sure became prophetic, as it relates to the effort on maintaining the least transparent administration possible.  The less transparent, the greater the political manipulation of policy

Stupid American voter
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2014, 03:56:14 PM »
Elitist: (dictionary) a person or class of persons considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society

- catering to or associated with an elitist class, its ideologies, or its institutions

- a person having, thought to have, or professing superior intellect or talent, power, wealth, or membership in the upper echelons of society
 
- a person who believes in the superiority of an elitist class

None of those appears to describe the Kochs or Republicans in general, in any way shape or form.  It does, to a tea, describe the mindset of Mr. Gruber.

Or perhaps the good professor here can explain/justify Government officials lying to the american citizenry to pass legislation they know wouldn't pass if the truth were used instead
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2014, 05:02:12 PM »
Quote from: sirs link=topic=18492.msg161785#msg161785 date=1415735774 Mr. Gruber.

.............. explain/justify Government officials lying to the american citizenry to[b
pass legislation they know wouldn't pass if the truth were used instead[/b]

We've come to expect it.

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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2014, 05:13:35 PM »
And that's what we really should be afraid of
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2014, 07:46:21 PM »
Mr. Gruber.

.............. explain/justify Government officials lying to the american citizenry to pass legislation they know wouldn't pass if the truth were used instead

We've come to expect it.

When we’ve already reached that level of fraud to pass this boondoggle, why sweat the fact that the guy who wrote the law admits they pulled a fast one on CBO and the dim, gullible American electorate?
 
Obama knew “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” was a lie from day one. He told it anyway because it was useful in selling the law to skeptical voters. All Gruber’s guilty of is summing up the approach that we’ve seen playing out with our own eyes for the past five years.
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 04:51:47 PM »
Yesterday on MSNBC Gruber said he regrets the "inappropriate" comments (he didn't apologize for lying) and explained that they were made "off-the-cuff" at an academic conference.

There's only one problem with that. A new, second video of Gruber calling Americans stupid during an explanation of Obamacare has surfaced. And by the way, Gruber was paid $400,000 in tax money to come up with Obamacare and to directly advise President Obama about the law.

To make things worse, the Daily Caller is now reporting on a third video where Gruber is seen bragging about exploiting Americans who don't understand redistribution of wealth economics

Gruber's comments about stupid Americans aren't "off the cuff," they're based on the liberal philosophy that humans, especially Americans, are too stupid to make their own decisions and therefore the government must do things for them.

Further, if Americans are too stupid to understand Obamacare, then why did the Obama administration go to great lengths to hide exactly what Obamacare really is? If Obamacare is so hard to understand, then why the need to cover-up what's in the bill in order to ensure Americans don't understand it?
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Re: Mr. Jonathan Gruber
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2014, 07:08:16 PM »
Further, if Americans are too stupid to understand Obamacare, then why did the Obama administration go to great lengths to hide exactly what Obamacare really is? If Obamacare is so hard to understand, then why the need to cover-up what's in the bill in order to ensure Americans don't understand it?[/i]

  Now there is a darn good question!