Lessons to be learned from the Martin & Brown cases

[sirs]

The initial story you hear is probably a lie: If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up somewhere claiming that a wonderful black kid who was going to college was shot for no reason and nobody is doing anything about it because of racism, you can safely assume you’re being taken for a ride. The police do make mistakes. The Akai Gurley case is a great example of that. There are also bad cops out there. But, it's better to let a court sort through the details under oath to get the facts rather than relying on rumors and people who see dollar signs in their eyes every time someone yells "racism."

The Left has zero interest in discussing why black Americans are really more likely to be shot by police officers.  Percentage-wise, black Americans are much more likely to commit crimes and so, it’s not a surprise that they’re more likely to end up in potentially dangerous conflicts with police officers.  The vast majority of black Americans are decent, law-abiding people and it’s sad that some of them are afraid of the police. That’s an issue that police departments should do much more to address, but unless they’re met halfway by community leaders who are willing to work with the cops, any effort is doomed to fail.

It’s time for cops to start wearing body cameras: Not only would body cameras help eradicate fears of abuse from officers, it would protect cops from the sort of false charges we saw in the Michael Brown case. Body cameras wouldn’t be a panacea, but they would probably make life better for both the cops and the people they’re policing

You better arm yourself because you can’t count on the police to protect you: It was widely speculated that there would be riots in Ferguson if the Grand Jury didn’t indict Darren Wilson. Yet, the governor of Missouri refused to deploy the National Guard in Ferguson on the first night. Without the help of the National Guard, the police weren’t able to contain the mayhem and there was rioting, looting, assaults and arson. Even though the state of Missouri officials knew it was coming, even though they could have prevented it – they didn’t. Take that lesson to heart, get your own gun and learn how to use it so if trouble comes knocking on your doorstep, you won’t be waiting for help from the state that never comes.

The mainstream media is more interested in promoting the idea that America is a racist country than the truth: The mainstream media helped create the angst over Trayvon Martin and the riots in Ferguson.  Everyone knows the mainstream media is biased, but when its coverage plays a role in getting people’s businesses burned to the ground, it has gone too far.

Most people on the “Left” care more about the narrative than the truth: One of the most amazing things about both the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown caseswas how many people didn’t change their minds one bit about what happened even after the initial stories in both cases proved to be false.  It was as if Zimmerman and Wilson had to go to jail not because they did anything wrong, but because to proclaim them innocent was a slam against black Americans

“Black Leaders” are looking to ratchet up the tension, not ease it: It’s extremely ironic that most of the businesses that burned in Ferguson were minority-owned because black leaders like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the New Black Panthers and, yes, Eric Holder and Barack Obama helped make it happen. Yes, they gave bloodless, CYA condemnations of violence, and then went back to hyping people up instead of calming them down. See, when people get mad, they give donations. Peace doesn’t make money. Peace doesn’t get your name in the newspaper. Peace doesn’t get anyone on TV.

Thank you, Mr Hawkins

[Plane]

The mainstream media is more interested in promoting the idea that America is a racist country than the truth: The mainstream media helped create the angst over Trayvon Martin and the riots in Ferguson.  Everyone knows the mainstream media is biased, but when its coverage plays a role in getting people’s businesses burned to the ground, it has gone too far.

Yes.

Isn't this a big disappointment?

[sirs]

Ginormous     

[Xavier_Onassis]

There are reasons why Michael Brown and perhaps Treyvon Martin had the attitudes they had. The same is true of Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman. Most confrontations do not result in anyone getting killed are are therefore never reported.

Racial attitudes exist for a reason. There are countries where such attitudes do not exist. In Ecuador, Mexico or the Dominican Republic there are examples of cops of every hue shooting unarmed civilians of every hue, and there is no way such incidents would ever receive the sort of publicity that this sort of stuff does in the US. There are no "n words" in Spanish in any country where I have visited.

[sirs]

There are reasons why Michael Brown and perhaps Treyvon Martin had the attitudes they had.

Absolutely......most of which is a drumbeat of how much a victim the black community supposedly is, and thus justified to do anything they want, in the name of oppression.  Let's also add the idea that the Black community is somehow owed something based on overt racism in the past.  Such that anything done to them now must be racist in nature.  Gives the ok that they can assault anyone they perceive as a threat...even law enforcement.

Tragic conclusions often come from a plethora of horrible decision making & egregiously bad judgement, as exemplified by Mr Martin & Mr Brown.  And as you accurately helped reinforce the point I and many others have made in the past, that such tragedies are aberations, as in the amount of black youths killed is exponentially greater at the hands of another black person, vs a white police officer or hispanic male with a concealed weapon's permit

Does racism exist?  Of course, no one is denying that.  Is it the predominant crux of what creates such increases in crime, out of wedlock births, dropping out of school, and unemployment #'s?  Hardly.  And when some rare event like this happens again, we can take to heart that any initial claim the act was racist in nature is quite probably a lie.  But that won't stop the MSM and the race baiters, such as JJ & Sharpton, from creating another pool of irrational protest and any subsequent destruction to businesses & property, that ironically are largely owned by other black Americans

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Jews somehow were owed a country because of the Holocaust. All the right wingers agree with this. Logically, they should have been given Bavaria or Saxony or the Tyrol or something, rather than the homeland of the Palestinians for the last 1200 years.

But the Blacks, who did not even start the Civil War, they deserve nothing at all. Not 40 acres, not a mule, not even free passage to Liberia or the Samana Peninsula. After the war they got 100 years of lynching and Jim Crow.

I donlt see how Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson had one damned thing to do with  Michael Brown. They are just guys you like to hate.

We have some serious defects in our society, and  they need to be addressed.  The eventual solution will come about when a majority of the population of the US is something other than White.

[Plane]

We have some serious defects in our society, and  they need to be addressed.  The eventual solution will come about when a majority of the population of the US is something other than White.

   I don't see how this would actually solve anything.

    It might be inevitable , but it isn't a solution at all.

    If we can't achieve true indifference to race , how fair can we realistically get?

[sirs]

Didn't have a chance to get to this earlier, so I'll endeavor to interject now

The Jews somehow were owed a country because of the Holocaust.

A) they were being slaughtered, in the thousands upon thousands
B) we, as in the United States, had nothing to do with their being relocated back to their homeland.  That as the UN.  Are you implying we need to have all African Americans returned to ... Africa??

But the Blacks, who did not even start the Civil War, they deserve nothing at all.

Apples/Oranges......Slavery is over, they're no longer slaves, or even considered "less than a white/human", so no, they have nothing left to be reimbursed for, or owed anything.  I realize liberal white guilt is still alive and well, so if you wish to donate your own money, time, and resources, by all means, you have the freedom to spend your money.  NOT everyone elses

I donlt see how Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson had one damned thing to do with  Michael Brown.

I don't "hate" anyone, thank you very much.  That aside, they had a substantial amount to do with Michael Brown, specifically in helping to light the fuse to the riotous events, following the grand jury announcement.  Notice how completely AWOL they were in declaring how folks shouldn't be rioting, after fueling the build up for days 

We have some serious defects in our society, and  they need to be addressed. 

Like what, specifically??

The eventual solution will come about when a majority of the population of the US is something other than White.

That makes no sense, what-so-ever

[Christians4LessGvt]

[Xavier_Onassis]

OJ was not paid by taxpayers to defend anyone. There is not a threat to White Americans from enraged   retired jocks who murder their exes.
White people control the country, they have no reason to riot against the power structure.

I notice that Tom Tillis, the clown that spent a bazillion buying the NC seat in the Senate is blathering about SEALING the border.  This reveals that he has never BEEN to the border, because that is a really stupid statement.

[sirs]

Professor Deflection, strikes again     

[Xavier_Onassis]

Tom Tillis is totally unqualified to be a senator if he thinks that the Mexico-US border can be "sealed".  It is disturbing to think that the fools who financed his election are so stupid to not recognize this guy as a knucklewalking hick.

[sirs]

The literal nazi strikes now.  The term is rhetorical.  No one, even Tillis, expects the border to be 100% sealed.  The intention is to seal it as much as possible     

So, how's the plan coming along in getting African Americans to relocate back to Africa?  Aren't they "owed that"?

[Christians4LessGvt]

For all practical purposes the border could be "sealed" quite easily.

The oligarchy which controls both parties does not want it sealed.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I do not think that even North Korea has been entirely effective in sealing its border with China.

There are at least five border crossings that have six lanes of traffic passing in each direction. And that is in addition to several railroad crossings and a lot of cargo vessels.

Tillis is a dolt. No one is sealing any borders. And many of those who come here cross legally and never return home, so illegal border crossings are not the entire problem.

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At no point have I ever said I favored deporting American citizens to Africa, as much as you may find that idea so thrilling. 


The US sends huge amounts of aid to Israel, as well as a lot of Ultra Orthodox Jews who have no occupation other than Torah Studies, financed by the Israeli government. After they are 65, they "retire" and get a pension. also paid by the Israeli government. There are an ample number of these "scholars" receiving ADC here in the US as well. Many were born in the former USSR and other Eastern European countries, and have never paid a nickle in taxes to the US. It is not like their ancestors were even enslaved in the US or that the US should owe them anything. It is probably cheaper to sup[port these freeloaders in Israel than here, but I see no reason why I should pay taxes to support them all.