Lessons to be learned from the Martin & Brown cases

[sirs]

At no point have I ever said I favored deporting American citizens to Africa, as much as you may find that idea so thrilling. 

YOU'RE the one who brought up the idea that African Americans are "owed something", analogus to Iraeli Jews being allowed to return to their homeland, following the atrocities of the Holocaust.  Sounds like a movement you could get behind, to appease your liberal gult.  I didn't think you sounded thrilled when you brought it up, but perhaps you were.

Outside of that, Isareal is a military allie, so of course we're going to suppliment their efforts, as we do with all our other allies.  As they have more immediate enemies surrounding them, I have no problem with the amount of aide we're helping them with.  That said, I'd be supportive of our cutting assistance to ALL other countries and entities, including the Palestinians, if you think that's an idea we can all support.  Though that's with the caveat that if any other country attacks them, we will help defend them, if they ask

[sirs]

Getting back on point, this copied from another thread:

If we were to OBJECTIVELY look at the most credible evidence presented in front of the Grand Jury, the lessons regarding Brown, are really quite basic.
- Don’t rob a convenience store.
- Don’t fight with a policeman when he stops you.
- Don't try to take his gun.
- And when he yells at you to stop with his gun drawn, you stop

The physical evidence backs up Officer Wilson's version.  As I & others have referenced before, a series of tragic & poorly judged decision making on the part of Brown, which specifically brought about the events that took his life.  The subsequent riots can be pinned directly to messers Sharpton, JJ, Obama, Holder, and the MSM

[Plane]

And many of those who come here cross legally and never return home, so illegal border crossings are not the entire problem.

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Who is calling this a problem?

Legal immigration ought to be encouraged better than it is.

[sirs]

And many of those who come here cross legally and never return home, so illegal border crossings are not the entire problem.
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Who is calling this a problem?

Legal immigration ought to be encouraged better than it is.

ABSOLUTELY!!

[Plane]

Getting back on point, this copied from another thread:

If we were to OBJECTIVELY look at the most credible evidence ...

The evidence presented doesn't acquit the officer, I would have to say that the preponderance of the evidence points to his truthfulness, but this is not certainty.

It is more to the point that the entire body of evidence does not amount to a winnable case against the officer.

Prosecutors are not required to bring cases that they think cannot be successfully prosecuted.

I would like to find something in some of this that makes one description of the situation impossible and narrows the doubts.

The nearest that has come is that some witnesses claimed that the guy was shot in the back and the autopsy impeached this testimony. Well good , now how about the rest of it? Can reasonable doubt be retired?

Since he has not been indicted , new evidence can be presented with no danger of double jeopardy.

[sirs]

Given the evidence now accessible by everyone, not sure what else the officer could have done.  As a law enforcement official, he acted how he was trained to act & react....as a police officer.  That included having a suspected criminal come closer to him, to question.  It included defending himself when he was attacked, thru his window.  It included trying to call for back-up.  It included trying to get the now criminal assault perpetrator to stop, when he started to escape.  It then led to him defending himself with lethal force from someone who just a few seconds earlier was trying to get his gun to kill officer Wilson

Not sure what else Wilson could have done, per Police protocol.  The witnesses back his version of events up, including several Black witnesses.  The evidence backs up his version of events.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yes, he reacted as a police officer, and not a very clever one. It is pretty clear that all he had to do was hit that accelerator, and that would have turned the tables immediately.

He has lost his job, but I think he has accumulated rather a lot of money from FundMeNow and other websites, so perhaps he can go somewhere and become smarter.

[kimba1]

he`ll probly have a similar life like michael Richards. look how thriving his career is.

[Plane]

Yes, he reacted as a police officer, and not a very clever one. It is pretty clear that all he had to do was hit that accelerator, and that would have turned the tables immediately.

He has lost his job, but I think he has accumulated rather a lot of money from FundMeNow and other websites, so perhaps he can go somewhere and become smarter.

  I don't think this would have worked.

   If he was opening his door , he must have already put the car in park.

    If his pistol was grabbed by the bigger guy , what happens next is all about the pistol.

     Wilsons account is that the pistol was in the grip of them both.

      Did this happen quite slowly?

[Plane]

    Suppose one lesson might be to send police on the beat in pairs.


      Wouldn't that help?

       One per patrol car patrols more territory more cheaply, but every now and then backup won't get there before the incident is over.

       The entire confrontation that killed Michael Brown must have taken about a minute.

        Expecting backup to show up on that time limit isn't reasonable.

[Plane]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/another-killing-in-ferguson-leaves-a-family-grappling-with-the-unknown/ar-BBgdFY7


Another death in that neighborhood.

This time we do not have two conflicting stories about what happened.

We have no idea what happened or why.


Except it is obviously a homicide.

[sirs]

Yes, he reacted as a police officer, and not a very clever one. It is pretty clear that all he had to do was hit that accelerator, and that would have turned the tables immediately.

What the frell??  Wilson should have run Brown over??   
 

He has lost his job

He resigned, because of the threat he and his fellow officers were getting had he stayed on. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

He resigned, because he would have been fired, otherwise. And of course, he was not likely to be safe working as a cop in Ferguson, where is is no longer respected, loved or even tolerated. One can hope that cops in the future will take careful note of his experience.

[sirs]

He resigned, because he would have been fired

That has no basis in fact, what-so-ever.  Wishful thinking on your behalf, I suppose, but nothing more.  He did nothing wrong, so there'd been no reason to fire him.     

[Xavier_Onassis]

I suppose that you think they could have kept this dud on the force forever? He was a liability and they could neither keep him on the beat or stick him behind a desk. When Ferguson has municipal election, I doubt is even one of them will be reelected.

Let's not feel sorry for Darren Wilson: Like Blanche, in The Glass Menagerie, he can depend on the kindness of strangers.

He has amassed a rather large amount to money in various online sites, around $300K, so, because there are so many sympathetic folks who feel strongly that uppity young Black people deserve to be shot.

I bet you could contribute as well, sirs.