I did bring this up earlier before the incident

[kimba1]

Wow even i did not connect this. I posted ealier how more difficult blacks have it compared to most americans and just now realized the ferguson incident is just the last straw with simply to a string of long difficulty. Totally not saying it's justifiable. But will say it's was going to happen and more likely happen again. Remember nothing got addressed. The very fact i did not recognized it till now is proof of that.

[sirs]

It's a cultural phenomenon I'm afraid Kimba.  Look at the % of out-of-wedlock births in the African American community, compared to other races.  The Blacks were sold that Government is their savior, and will take care of them, regardless any bad judgement that they perpetuate themselves with.  Single mothers are common, and pretty much "expected".  With no family structure or dedicated father figure, which the Government can't provide, its no wonder Blacks, as a % of our population, are involved in more crimes and have more in prison, compared to other races.  So, the #'s don't validate a racist system, trying to target Blacks.  It validates an utter collapse of the family dynamic, pushed by ever increasing Government programs to supposedly take its place......which it can't

This whole Civil Rights charade, being put on by Obama and the WH is disgusting.  There was nothing racial in what happened in Fergeson.  Colors could have been completely swapped, and the commentary by folks like myself would have been the same.  But because it was white on black, somehow that aberration is some supposed reinforcement of what supposedly happens all the time.  It's like school shootings.  That when they happen, its tragic, but advocates use that aberation of a tragedy to push their ideological agendas, in those cases, more gun control.  Here, you simply have a thug, who was shot by a Police officer when he wouldn't stop and get on the ground, after attacking him once already, but there you have the race baiters, topped off by Obama & Holder, trying to make this about something it never was, which then directly led to the mass amount of property destruction...most of it, upon African American store owners

[kimba1]

recently I talk to good friend of mine about race and at his job the company hires a certain amount of these people termed cradle to grave . these are folk who are the most part raised to live on welfare or various government assistance programs. always brought up is the difficulty of getting these guys to do the job. their simply cannot think in a way to earn a living. heres where it gets strange . I for some reason asked what is the success rate and the answer is the large majority of them are super hard workers and succeed very well.it`s that small percent that standout and make the program look like it fails.

what I`m getting at we don`t exactly see numbers about what are the percentage of African American are doing the damage and are upset or not, what we see on tv  can easily be done by a radical bunch and that`s it. remember tv rarely give press coverage about people being responsible tax paying adults.

[sirs]

I can't count how many stories I've seen/heard/read, about in these riots, a predominant amount are simply there to perpetuate the debacle/destruction, thereby fueing the emotion that so many others have been driven too, thanks to folks like JJ & Sharpton

My point, so many want to make this about something it's not.....race.  No one wants to talk about the real problems that hit so much of the Black community....no fathers, tripling of out-of-wedlock births, a Government culture that literally rewards bad behavior in the name of "caring", which faciliates all the above even more.  But making it about some non-existant epidemic of racism and police brutality is so much easier to push emotional buttons.  And the MSM lets them all get away with it, because criticising such acts is tantamount to being called a racist.  And no one wants that.

[kimba1]

I see it all true .all you stated plus race. it`s a factor as I stated this is accumulative so  race is a  factor . as outside observers can we understand the concept of false conviction , job deniel . the treyvon martin incident in the news continually showed a younger picture to curry favor on his side but a lot of folks still saw a thug.

yes this is not an issue of white vs black but more of issue of race perception. if you see a black teenager pickup a dropped wallet do you think he`s gonna keep it or give it back to owner?  I saw this happened and people almost attacked him. exactly how does this create good behavior.
this is not just an issue of people we don`t know getting a hard time it`s also people who been seen on tv for decades who teach reading to children and still worry about his own safety around police officers" levar burton"  not exactly a poster child for thug life

even chris rock who has been for over a decade been critical of black behavior and even made money for his critique has said it`s about race.

[sirs]

Race is only a factor, in that at one time, this country had some serious racial problems.  Those problems are so negligible now.  The KKK is vilified by a vast majority of the country, whites and Tea Party included.  Everyone can sit anywhere they want, and work whever they want.  Even become President of the U.S.  Racism is vilified when it raises its ugly head.  The problem is those who see EVERYTHING thru some racial prism.  If someone isn't listening to them, it's racism, vs perhaps that what that someone is saying, is ludicrous, or the person being talked to has bad hearing.  Not everything is racist.  Not saying you think that.  I'm saying the race baiters think that

What happened in Fergeson was neither racist nor Police Brutality, and yet there's are President and AG, declaring thru their actions, how it must be.  And the cycle continues, all the while no one is talking about the real problems that are striking & hurting the Black community the most.  And here's a hint, its not some "militarization" of the police.

[kimba1]

I think it only needed any killed black teenager, so it was going to happened anyway. you said race baiter and yes I agree that`s happening but it wouldn`t work very well if it didn`t have soo many supporters. meaning people who may personally experience it. I pointed out do not blacks feel safe even when they obey the laws. that`s not negligible. I`m not saying Michael brown is innocent but his death hit the right moment to get noticed. this is more of a enough is enough issue. remember one of the issue in the news is police brutality. Darren Wilson simply picked the wrong day to work

[Plane]

.it`s that small percent that standout and make the program look like it fails.

Good point.
Perception is important even when it is false.

What are we doing that keeps this sort of illusion happening?

Can a scientific attitude be applied , so that truth can be found in the real number of successes and the ratio of failures?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Michael Brown did not merit the death penalty.  Cops shoot Black people in a  disproportionate number of incidents. Maybe they will stop doing this, knowing that it will result in their losing their jobs.

[sirs]

He didn't receive a "death sentence".  He was shot when he charged a police officer, after being told to stop, and after he had already attacked the officer just seconds earlier

And no, Blacks are NOT shot by officers in disproportionate numbers, as a % of the crimes they're involved in.  You're either being overtly ignorant in making that claim.....or you're lying.  I'd be leaning towards the former, but won't rule out the latter

[Plane]

Michael Brown did not merit the death penalty.  Cops shoot Black people in a  disproportionate number of incidents. Maybe they will stop doing this, knowing that it will result in their losing their jobs.

Attacking a lion barehanded might not merit a death penalty , but you can get one that way.

You can also get a death penalty by attacking an armed person. Deserving? maybe not , still a dangerous thing to do.

Human beings are not less deadly than Lions.

[Xavier_Onassis]

This was like the Martin/Zimmerman thing, a couple of morons playing macho.
The result was now one is dead and the other jobless.

[Plane]

This was like the Martin/Zimmerman thing, a couple of morons playing macho.
The result was now one is dead and the other jobless.

Well it is a lot alike .

But there is more similarity even.

Both times the attack could have been avoided easily by the attacking man, who was fatally shot .

Why criticize the survivor at all?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Because in both cases, he was playing Mr Macho.

Had either of these guys not done that, no one would have gotten killed,

[sirs]

Only those on the far left could irrational equate defending themself as "being macho".  So sad