Author Topic: BT , I`ll understand if you suspend me for this.TWO DEAD COPS!! the fuck !!!!!  (Read 15805 times)

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sirs

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No one was being punished.  He resisted arrest, and because of his size, required a number of officers for him to comply.  A tragic accident then ensued.  He wasn't "punished" for selling illegal cigs, or for being big, of for being black.  He wasn't punished at all.  He died as a result of an unforeseen accident. 

And its garbage like that, proclaiming how he was "punished" by the police that leads to assassinations of police officers, by sick & twisted loons
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The guy was doing something inconsequential and nonthreatening to anyone. He was killed by the incompetent cop and is now dead.

I find it amazing that you see this as proper justice.
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Regardless of what he was doing, what he didn't do was comply with the officers instructions.  His non-compliance is what brought about the added force.  No one was incompotent, outside of Martin who decided, on his own, that he apparently was above the law in complying with an officers instructions.  He's dead because a tragic accident ensued following his noncompliance....period

And the garbage that he was "punished" for it, is exactly the mindset that created the path the assassin took on the 2 unsuspecting officers.  I hope you and the mayor are proud with yourselves    >:(
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sirs

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....and before Professor literal tries pulling that card out, NO, that does not translate that I'm claiming you told anyone to do anything.  It has to do with the mindset that's being pushed...the idea that the police are racists, that they don't care about black lives, and in fact, target blacks.  Couldn't be further from the truth, but to folks like the NYC Mayor, and yourself, truth is irrelevent.  Facts mean nothing, unless they can be manipulated to push a specific agenda.  And any/all evidence that is contrary to that already made up mind of what had to have happened, must be ignored at all cost
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The policeman was singularly incompetent for using a choke hold and ignoring the guy telling him that he could not breathe,
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sirs

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Your non-legal, non-law enforcement experience opinion on what was and wasn't necessary to restrain a non-compliant massively large suspect is duly noted

And FYI, not only did the officer remove the choke hold when "the guy" was telling him he couldn't breath, anatomy wise, if someoe can say "they can't breathe", demonstrates that they can in fact breathe.  Not that such facts matter to you
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If he could have been able to breathe, he would not have died, dummy.

I suppose you will now claim that he is simply sleeping. It was a "sleeper hold".

The cop killed the guy. Why this delights you is another matter.
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sirs

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If he could have been able to breathe, he would not have died, dummy.

He didn't die of asphyxiation, moron.  If he could talk, he can breathe.  Maybe not well, but the biological fact is that he could



The cop killed the guy. Why this delights you is another matter.

And there's the money deflection.....as if I was delighted to see a tragic accident.  You can be such an ass.  Kill denotes an end goal of trying to end the life of someone/something.  And its THAT kind of rhetoric that fuels those who attempt to kill others, such as other innocent police officers.  The officer was directly involved in his accidental death.  That's the best you're going to be able to accomplish.  Using your deflection parameters, apparently the assassination of those 2 officers were completely justified, and even gave you a smile.  You need help   
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Kill means, "to cause the death of", an entirely accurate description.

Breathe, in the event you have not noticed, involved taking air IN, while speaking involves pushing air OUT. 

Try it and you will see. Or try not breathing, and you will also see.
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sirs

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To talk, requires that you inhale before speaking.  That's a biological requirement. 

Kill means an INTENT to cause death of.  An entirely inaccurate description of what took place in N.Y.,  but perfectly appropriate to incite nut jobs to retaliate and kill police officers as a supposed justifiable response.  You need help

« Last Edit: December 25, 2014, 12:37:01 AM by sirs »
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Kill means, "to cause the death of", an entirely accurate description.

Breathe, in the event you have not noticed, involved taking air IN, while speaking involves pushing air OUT. 

Try it and you will see. Or try not breathing, and you will also see.

  I have been in a choke hold , speech is impossible , as is moving air in either direction past the blockage .

  In a related matter , if you are ever choking on food, there is a prearranged distress signal , which is necessarily a pantomime.

  That the guy was speaking demonstrates a clear airway so the "chokehold" is demonstrated to be loose enough that it can't have been the direct cause of death.

  However, "I can't breathe" isn't a lie. His complaint was about his distress and difficulty which was proven to be serious by his subsequent collapse and death. Even if the chokehold specifically can't be blamed there was a stress in being arrested by a pile of policemen that was somehow too much for him.

  I don't like several things about this situation, but there is not really any evidence present of police maliciousness here, so why is that what should be improved? If there is one thing I would like to have learned and see changed it would be better training for police in recognizing dangerous symptoms and health problems.

    There is no means to forbid the police from grappling with arrestees ,but recognizing dangerous respiratory distress and applying oxygen or an ambu bag when needed might be reasonable training and save a dying person every now and then no matter why they are short of breath.

    Also having an oxygen bottle in every patrol car would be pretty cheap and would improve such a situation with little training.
   

 

sirs

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Compliance with the Police officer's initial instructions still proves to be the best treatment for any potential unforeseen tragedy
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Compliance with the Police officer's initial instructions still proves to be the best treatment for any potential unforeseen tragedy


   That may be so, but a resisted arrest is not uncommon, there should be good preparation for a bad outcome because it is so likely.

    In this particular case there should be a reasonable way to protest an unjust tax.

     There needs to be a way for someone who feels singled out and persecuted to appeal against unfair treatment.

      It is very hard not to feel a lot of sympathy for the guy.

sirs

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Agreed....but the bottom line, is that the officer is required to enforce the law...even laws he may not agree with (Our President should be so in tune with that concept).  When Garner decided, on his own. not comply, he escalated the situation that forced a plethora of officers to deal with this gigantic man.  Unfortunately, his body couldn't deal with the stress it was put under, as a result of his non compliance.  It's truly tragic and hardly some idiotic notion of justice
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The bottom line, is that there were ways to arrest this guy without killing him, and whatever the cop did, killed him as a direct result, and  that makes the cop incompetent, because his job is NOT to kill people. 
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