says it all

[Plane]

It is simply NOT TRUE.

Neither you nor I have a clue as to what JFK really believed. He did not write this speech, and did not write most of his speeches. He claimed to be a Catholic, but what he really believed is unknown.

The statement came from Deists, there is no doubt about that at all.
 There was only one good thing about JFK: he was less an asshole than Nixon.

   It matters little that you are outvoted here, we are a very small sample.

    But this speech was given to appeal to Americans , so we can assume that most of us do indeed like it.

     that makes a difference.

     Aside from that most of us like the idea, why do you think it is untrue?

      If you don't subscribe to the "God" part of "God given", can you see a theme of natural right that is a close parallel?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Neither you nor I have a clue as to what JFK really believed.
He did not write this speech, and did not write most of his speeches.
He claimed to be a Catholic, but what he really believed is unknown.

So now to connect your crazy dots you imply JFK was lying when he read his speeches that he approved?
And also that John F. Kennedy was possibly lying about whether he was a Catholic?
 

[Plane]

....................as to what JFK really believed. He did not write this speech, and did not write most of his speeches. ..........................

So are we really talking about Ted Sorenson?

Theodore Chaikin "Ted" Sorensen (May 8, 1928 – October 31, 2010) was an American presidential adviser, lawyer, and writer, best known as President John F. Kennedy’s special counsel, adviser, and legendary speechwriter. President Kennedy once called him his “intellectual blood bank.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Sorensen

    This changes little of the value of the thought , hm?

[Plane]

The public square in front of the Rathaus Schöneberg was renamed John-F.-Kennedy-Platz. A large plaque dedicated to Kennedy is mounted on a column at the entrance of the building and the room above the entrance and overlooking the square is dedicated to Kennedy and his visit.

Kennedy delivering his speech in Berlin on the steps of the Rathaus Schöneberg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner

[Xavier_Onassis]

Sorenson wrote very effective speeches. Kennedy was good at delivering those speeches. But when Kennedy said Americans should "pay any price, bear any burden" to ensure freedom anywhere in the world, I said to myself "HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, COWBOY: there is no way I am going to risk my life fighting to depose the government of China".

As I said, JFK's best feature was that he was not a scheming crook, like Nixon. He did not hate the people of this country, as Nixon did.

[sirs]

So, in other words, Obama is just a mouthpiece for who ever writes his speeches?  He just "delivers" them?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I did not say that Kennedy did not believe the stuff in his speeches. He probably did. He certainly knew he was not a citizen of West Germany or Berlin, that was just rhetoric. He also knew that there was no way that he as president was going to somehow free a billion Chinese from the Maoists. If he believed he would have the power to do that, he was simply full of crap. 

I am discussing JFK here, you imbecile. This has nothing whatever to do with President Obama's speeches. That is not the topic.

[sirs]

The topic also includes your double standard in speech writing.  When Reagan gave speeches, or any Republican for that matter, they were simply mouthpieces for the Oligarchy.  Or is that concept just too high a level for you to grasp?  Should we be using 1 syllable words & phrases to explain things to you?

[Plane]

................................. there was no way that he as president was going to somehow free a billion Chinese from the Maoists...........................................

Why should this be more difficult than making Communists of them was?