Ever wonder why Israel doesn't just withdraw to its 1948 borders?

[Christians4LessGvt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTp-cdDVb_0

[sirs]

It would become impossible to defend.  What was that distance that Israel could have been split?....7 miles wide?

[Plane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTp-cdDVb_0

That is some good information regarding the Geography.

If there is a major war that involves Israel all parties will  ignore the borders , the rivers and hills and roads will matter , the political map will not.

[sirs]

Exactly

[Xavier_Onassis]

They want it all. That is their plan. Take it all. Israel proper is already overpopulated, and Netanyahu is inviting even more to come.

Poland is impossible to defend, Northern Ireland is impossible to defend. Over half of all the countries on this planet are impossible to defend. That is a lame fucking excuse.

[sirs]

They want to simply exist....that's their plan.  If they "wanted it all", they would have continued to expand, nor would they have given up any land, which they did.   

[Xavier_Onassis]

They gave up Gaza and the Sinai, which were never part of any historic Israel. They have not given up shit. They want it all, and they want Americans to pay for it.

When the PM of Canada, our greatest trading partner and closest ally comes to the US, Congress does not give him a standing ovation.
When the PM of the UK visit of the leader of any other ally visits, they are treated with respect, but there is no shameless fawning.

When Netanyahu appears, it is like a bunch of Muslims praying at a mosque, every rep and senator bows down before him, like he was some sort of deity. They stumble over themselves praising him. 
That is just crap!

We have millions of Irish in this country, and Italians and Germans, and when the leaders of those countries pay a visit,our politicians do not kowtow to them. Nor should they.

Israel is about as important to the average American as Nepal or Paraguay. The time for showing them with money and praise is over.

[sirs]

The point is they gave it up, when they could have simply held them....if they supposedly "want it all".  It wasn't....they were pressured to give back land for the "promise of peace".  Since we've all been witness to the kind of "peace"  the PLO & Hamas intend to adhere to, what little land is still under Israeli control, is going to stay that way.....and rightly so, given the enemies that surround Israel

And where to you get that garbage that Netanyahu is fawned all over??  Obama and company treat him like he's some door to door encyclopedia salesman.  Perhaps the most disrespected world leader to ever visit this country, .....treated worst than when leaders such as Iran or other despot countries come

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am talking about Congress. President Obama is the only way anyone in the government should have treated this exploitative blowhard beggar.

[sirs]

I'm talking about your ignorant claim about what Israel supposedly wants.  Both their rhetoric and actions debunk that idiotic claim

[sirs]

Let me formally walk back my tone, in that last response.  I should expect such tactics, but I shouldn't be facilitating them myself.  My apologies to the professor.  It should have looked like: I'm talking about your claim about what Israel supposedly wants.  Both their rhetoric and actions debunk that claim

[Xavier_Onassis]

Israel has grabbed more and more land from what was supposed to be Palestine, and other than returning the Sinai to Egypt (so the Canal could be reopened) and Gaza to the Gazans (because so many soldiers had been killed trying to oppress the locals and the Israeli electorate demanded it), they have kept everything. They also have grabbed pieces of Lebanon and Syria.

It is pretty obvious that they plan to keep it, or they would have given some if it back. They have even renamed it, somewhat inaccurately, as Judea and Samaria. There are still some Samaritans about, perhaps even good Samaritans, but they have not given anything to them, either.

[sirs]

Israel "grabbed" what they could to defend themselves.  There would have been no "grabbing", if not for the Islamic countries surrounding that tine piece of real estate, we call Israel, deciding they couldn't tolerate even that tiny piece of Jewish existance

In other words, if not for the actions of the Arab countries, Israel, today, would still be adhering to the 1948 borders.  At this point, especially given the ongoing hostility aimed at Israel, there is aboslutely no need for Israel to return any more land, than they already have, that could lead them to have a far less ability at defending themselves

[Xavier_Onassis]

Israel can go fuck itself.

I am tired of paying for them.

If we treated the Palestinians and the Israelis equally, this would have been settled long ago.

[sirs]

I'm tired of paying for Obamacare.  So, there's that

Treating them "fairly" is merely a perception, that would do squat to "fix" the situation in the middle east.  The ONLY thing that's going to jump start any peace, is NOT
- Israel giving up more land
- PLO getting more of our tax dollars
- Israel getting less of our tax dollars
- treating world leaders equally appropriately
- verbally chastising Israel for being some supposed bully

The only thing will bring peace, be when the Palestinians & Rest of the Islamic World come to accept Israel as a sovereign country, and to condemn the acts of Hamas & its ilk in trying to rid the region of a Jewish state.  ONLY then, can peace in the region be possible