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Mine the moon for energy
« on: March 15, 2015, 11:18:42 PM »
http://www.mining.com/china-is-taking-lunar-mining-seriously-65595/


     Helium 3 is potentially a marvelous fuel, and the moon seems full of it, right near the surface.

     But even a million tons of the stuff would be useless unless we first beat the problems of fusion energy harvesting.

     Should our feelings be hurt if this is done by China?

       Did Neil Armstrong stake claim?

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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2015, 11:19:52 AM »
how could transport costs justify this?
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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2015, 07:16:20 PM »
At this point they would not.

But if H3 is as plentiful as is supposed, and can be mined with little difficulty, and the problems that hinder fusion power can be solved...

Then, the shallow surface of the moon holds more energy than all the worlds oil, and a modest sized tanker could hold enough H3 to run the planet for a year.

Or this energy could fuel development of the Moon and planets.

So this is not a sure thing, there could be less H3 than supposed , there could be a hard problem with collecting it or there could be an insolvable problem with fusion power.

This is aspirational , and if China does find the way, everyone will join them, so there is little to worry about.

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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 07:26:42 PM »
http://inhabitat.com/could-mining-helium-3-from-the-moon-solve-earths-energy-problems/
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Researchers estimate that 25 tons of helium-3 could power the United States for an entire year.


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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2015, 10:09:49 PM »
helium 3??
holy crap now I remember.

if you see this movie it all ties in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc




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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2015, 04:00:56 PM »
What exactly is the process for  getting energy from HE3¿
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Helium is a gas. ¨Mining¨´ a gas on the Moon would surely present problems never faced.

I don´t see anyone doing this for at least 50 yrs. The Newtster will be as dead as King Tut
long before this occurs.

Perhaps it is not a bad idea.
I do not  think that Earth mining claims count on the moon.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2015, 04:07:42 PM by Xavier_Onassis »
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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2015, 07:51:15 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3

In theory, you could put a little bit of He3 under a lot of pressure and heat, then when it fused it would produce a lot more pressure , heat, and electrons. But with tiny radiation and waste products.

Putting a tank of He3 into a fusion bomb boosts its output, so we know it can work.

Taking the upper layer of Moon soil into a tank and heating it should easily liberate the He3 that it has collected over centuries of exposure to solar wind.

None of this is ready for market right now, and there is no predicting the onset of practicality.

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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2015, 09:11:18 PM »
The Newtster will be as dead as King Tut

John 6:47
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 10:44:02 PM »
Get serious.

There is not a single case of a deceased politician ever accomplishing anything.
Even if the Newtster sits at the right hand of all three members of the Trinity, he is still inconsequential.
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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2015, 12:53:54 PM »
There is not a single case of a deceased politician ever accomplishing anything.

Say what?
I guess it depends on context.
But I have given thanks for Texas founding fathers that are long ago deceased
because way back when....when they wrote the Texas Constitution they specifically
outlawed a state income tax....because they knew "control freaks" would be born later
and try to institute a state income tax. So long after their deaths they are accomplishing their goals.
I also think people like MLK long dead still accomplish things.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2015, 01:16:50 PM »
The Republic of Texas was a totally bad idea  based on slavery and oppression,  and it failed because it was never able to support itself financially, despite having vast amounts of acreage to sell.

I do not consider MLK to be an actual politician, and the fact that we have morons like sirs claiming that he was a stolid Republican sort of tells us that his message was  less than well understood. I suppose that someday in the far distant future, someone might mention the Newtster as some sort of visionary, in the way that Stonewall Jackson is called a hero, but if H3 becomes a reality, it will be cause of people far more clever than the Newtster, whose most recent accomplishment was to tale the ill gotten gambling gains of some idiot Jewish tycoon and give it to the media, with no real result of any poitical consequence to anyone.
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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2015, 02:46:42 PM »
The Republic of Texas was a totally bad idea

It's even a better idea now!





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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2015, 03:13:05 PM »
It is just fine with me.

But we all know that it will never happen. There is no right to secession, as the Civil War proved. Perhaps there should be a MORAL right, but I really doubt that a majority of Texans would vote for secession. In any case, it will not happen, it is even less likely that Jesus returning. We know what the experience of that not happening has been, But everyone can believe anything they want to.

In 25 years, Chicanos will dominate Texas politics, as Texas becomes a poorer, stupider version of California.
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Re: Mine the moon for energy
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2015, 07:15:28 PM »

In 25 years, Chicanos will dominate Texas politics, as Texas becomes a poorer, stupider version of California.

Chicanos can't be prosperous and smart?

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2015, 10:52:08 PM »
I do not think that the Chicanos are the problem, it is the cheapskate of Texas that fails to pay enough to educate its poor people because of a crappy system for distributing revenues for school taxes. Perhaps when the Chicanos are in power they will be able to do something about this. But since the educational level of Texans is below that of Californians, it stands to reason that the disparity between CA and TX will continue. The same is true for FL as well, and this is the case in much of the country. Taxes to support schools come from property taxes. The less the value of the property in the district, the less money goes to the residents of that school district. If the funds were pooled and reallocated on a per capita basis, this would improve the educational level of the entire state.
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