The "Religion of Peace" strikes it's own.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I really do not care if you agree with me or not.

CU4 does this "Religion of Peace" crap about every three months. It has never made any sense and never will.

Of course, it would be impossible for this country or any other to win a war with Islam or convert all the Muslims to Littlebabyjeezus. It is just as preposterous as  CU4's constant and repetitive blather about how Islam is not really "the Religion of Peace".  Everyone knows that all Muslims are not peaceful and some of them are terrorists.

[sirs]

Makes perfect sense when you don't try to mutate what he's saying into something he's not

[Plane]

It is not as though you are capable of actually debating the issue, is it, sirs?

Do you deny that Jesus preached to Jews almost exclusively?  Do you deny that Paul abolished the dietary and other ritualistic laws in order to convert pagans?

Because the Bible is pretty clear on both points.

This is taking a very narrow view.
Jesus did preach first to his own, but did not ignore Gentiles , even complimenting a Roman officer for his faith being better than the Jews he knew.
Then Jesus gave the great commission to his disciples and in no respect confined them to Israel.

Paul was under the orders of Jesus when he wrote, he didn't change the direction of Jesus teaching. If he had he would have probably been struck blind again.

Why do you think Paul abandoned his career as a Zionist persecuting Christians for the sake of Pharisee purity and accepted practically a bishops position in his former enemies ranks?

[sirs]

Plane....I marvel at how you can so easily articulate points, even a 3rd grader could understand.  A near perfect response

[Xavier_Onassis]

Paul was under the orders of Jesus?

Come on, already, Jesus was gone when Paul decided to start preaching. There was ZERO communication between them.

Jesus was not a Christian. He was born, lived and died a Jew.

The fact is that not only did Paul not know Jesus, he also had not even read the Gospels, since not one of them had even been written. You and OI know more about Jesus than Paul did. Paul had some sort of heat stroke. Such events do not make people smarter or intelligent.

Paul was a very clever PR man. He saw an opportunity and he took it.

Jesus contradicted himself several times, or at least according to the Gospels he did. But the religion that Paul was peddling was a melange of Mythraism, several Egyptian cults that were in vogue at the time, and his own ambition.

James was Jesus' brother, and the obvious heir of the Jesus cult. Paul was an opportunist.

Jesus had zilch to do with trying to convert pagans. There is no indication whatever that he ever made the slightest attempt to convert any Gentile to Judaism or his particular version of it.

There is no proof that any of the Gospels was written by any of the apostles. They were written decades later. It was a bit like the Story of Jesse James, based on oral history written down in 1932. What the Gospels are is hearsay at best.

[Christians4LessGvt]

CU4 does this "Religion of Peace" crap about every three months.
It has never made any sense and never will.

What makes no sense is calling Islam the "Religion of Peace" when it's adherents
fill the world headlines on a daily basis of mass murder of innocents. Sure most
Muslims are not killing people, but most Germans didn't work at the gas chambers either.
Islam has an extremely large violence problem like no other religion today within it
that threatens world peace. Of course dumb-ass Obama would rather talk about
"Less Than Loving Christians" on Easter than talk about the much larger and deadly problem within Islam.
As if Obama would demean Muzzies on some Muzzy holiday.

[sirs]

Paul was under the orders of Jesus?

YES.  There doesnt't require a physical hands-on directive.  If you actually studied the bible, you might understand that.  Including that Jesus was a speaker to EVERYONE, not just Jews.  The goal was to bring anyone and everyone salvation, Jews & Gentiles alike

The fact is, as it relates to the Bible, Paul was given new orders by God/Jesus, in which he faithfully carried them out, to the best of his ability. 

This is common knowledge for anyone that faithfully attends Sunday School

[Xavier_Onassis]

The fact is, as it relates to the Bible, Paul was given new orders by God/Jesus, in which he faithfully carried them out, to the best of his ability.

This is common knowledge for anyone that faithfully attends Sunday School
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Yeah, sure. Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so.
Little ones to Him belong, I am weak, and He is strong.

--Do I belong to Jesus, Mommy?

---Yes, sweetie, you do.
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Please GROW UP!
This is like saying that we know that Stalin was a great Hero of the Glorious USSR because we heard all about it in the young Pioneers.

Go back and sit at the Children's table, sirs, you are not worthy of sitting with the grown-ups.

[sirs]

Spoken as a true non-believer.  Is it no wonder you can't possibly understand how God works, how Jesus works, how faith works?  I'll pray for you

[Xavier_Onassis]

God is deaf ever since the Big Bang. He is not listening, because he hears nothing. Prayers are like the ripples caused by stones thrown in the water, with the diffence that a stone thrown in the water remains on the bottom of the pond.

Jesus is a reheated assortment of myths from a variety of other religions and Christianity is a major misunderstanding of the Bible, which itself is a mishmash of history, myths, folktales and bigotry.

As a going business venture, Christianity is a success, as is Islam. As an actual philosophy, it is childish, irrational and unconvincing.

[sirs]

God is deaf ever since the Big Bang. He is not listening, because he hears nothing. Prayers are like the ripples caused by stones thrown in the water, with the diffence that a stone thrown in the water remains on the bottom of the pond.

Jesus is a reheated assortment of myths from a variety of other religions and Christianity is a major misunderstanding of the Bible, which itself is a mishmash of history, myths, folktales and bigotry.

Wash, Rinse, repeat      So why does it bother you so much, that other people do have a relationship with Jesus?  Is it that they're not following the correct God...that they should be praying at the alter of a massive Federal Government, where your God alternates to whatever (D) happens to reside in the white house?

[Xavier_Onassis]

It would not bother me any more than those who believe in the Tooth Fairy. If there is a God, he would not have devised anything as wacky as Judaism, Islam or Christianity. Government is a tool, it is not a religion, you dolt. And it is not a tool that Republicans are qualified to operate. I am all for a multiparty system, but no one needs the damned Republicans, the Teabaggers or the deluded evangelicals imposing their crapola on the rest of us.

You do not have a "relationship with Jesus" you are just brainwashed.

[sirs]

Your once again 99% eroneous opinion is again, duly noted.  And for some, Government is absolutely a religion.  If you criticize or condemn it, you should practically be excommunicated.  At the very least, you should be made to shut up, so that no one listens to you.  That has been an expressed desire of yours ever since you graced the saloon.  If folks like you were in power, folks like me would be required to attend mandatory re-education.  And of course your pithy comeback is that I supposedly couldn't be re-educated, in which case I guess I'd be shot in your religious form of goverment. 

Multi-party, as you would define it, would be along the lines of a Liberal party, Socialist party, Progressive party, a Marxist party, and perhaps even a Green party.

[Plane]

Paul was under the orders of Jesus?

Come on, already, Jesus was gone when Paul decided to start preaching. There was ZERO communication between them.

Jesus was not a Christian. He was born, lived and died a Jew.

This is so delightfully backwards!

Paul you know had a regular job as a lynch mob leader for the Pharisees, Paul had to be a qualified Pharisee to hold this job.

But your argument is that Jesus was more for the law than the Pharisees were?

This opinion would have gotten you a lot of ire from the Pharisees .

You are also positing that Paul was ambitious and saw a business opportunity in switching sides while suffering from a heatstroke?

Paul was ambitious to die in prison?

Seems like he could have kept his previous career for better financial security.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I do not think that Paul actually could see into the future. Perhaps he was actually sincere about what he THOUGHT he saw in his visions. People have visions all the time. There are dozens of books of all sorts of apocalyptic visions in the Psychology section of any university library. I don't think Paul was motivated by money.  There are all sorts of examples of people who start out with one set of beliefs and then make a total 180. Joseph Stalin was one: he trained to be a priest.

The fact remains that what Paul set as the standards and requirements for Christianity were very different from what Jesus preached. Of course, Paul had no access to the Gospels, because they had not been written at the time he decided to take over.

Financial security was not the big deal for Jews in the Roman Empire. Caste and ethnicity were singularly important in that time and place.
Prophesys and  perhaps fame as a holy person in one's environment were the main goals in those times. Paul was an effective PR guy. But I do not see him as actually divinely inspired. He may have believed his own bullshit.