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Xavier_Onassis

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It is impossible to prevent each and every person who wants to come to this country from entering the country. There were lots of defections from East Germany to West Germany even when they had a 15 foot wall and the Volkpolitzei shot on sight.

The United States of America is NOT going to shoot immigrants on sight, nor should it even try.

There were constant defections from the USSR into Finland even during the Stalin years. Perfection at border security is an impossibility. Relative security si the best we can hope for. In the unlikely chance that a Republican is elected president, I fully expect that the nutballs who are presently ranting about this will be stricken dumb. Because this is about Obamahate, not border security.
   
The right wing should complement Obama on reducing the number of illegals rather drastically.

In the case of the children, they voluntarily turn themselves in to the Border Guards, as they understand that if they do, they will no longer be at risk of being raped, killed or kidnapped. If the Border Guards started turning them back, many more of these children would die. This country should not do anything to kill children who only want to be with their parents.

The Daily Caller is a lunatic right wing screed. More sane publications actually understand the nature of this issue.
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It is impossible to prevent each and every person who wants to come to this country from entering the country.

It could easily be greatly reduced.
the endless bullshit sob story of "well we cant cut this bunch off" never ends
everyone here is cool....but no more....the gate needs to shut
Pick a cutoff date.....next year, two years, 5 years...whatever it is....the sooner the better.
Anyone after that date without proper documentation gets
No jobs, no housing, no gvt benefits, no utilities turned on, no vehicle titles, no medical care except dire emergency
if that happens in a significant way....they stop coming
they come because there is a benefit to them coming....duh
if the benefits are taken away....iron clad...they stop coming
it's actually rather simple....and most countries do not allow the bullshit sob story to ruin their country like we do

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National Sheriffs' group hears concerns of local ranchers

DEREK JORDAN | HERALD/REVIEW

Sun, 04/26/2015 - 6:32pm
     
SIERRA VISTA: Desperate for decisive action to stop the ever-present incursions across their lands by smugglers and illegal immigrants coming north, more than a dozen ranchers and residents from along Cochise County's border with Mexico spoke to representatives of a national sheriff's group on Saturday.

Invited to the area by Cochise County Sheriff Mark Dannels, two leading members of the National Sheriffs' Association visited with locals at the Turquoise Valley Golf Course in Naco to better understand the origin of an issue that has had a national impact.

"This is really where it starts. The sheriffs along the border, whether it's Arizona, Texas, New Mexico or California, it doesn't matter, they're the ones that catch the brunt of it. They're the ones that get the call from the citizens, like those ranchers we heard from. But, when those people get here, get across our border uncontested, then it becomes a national problem," said Harold Eavenson, the third vice president of the National Sheriffs' Association and sheriff of Rockwall County, Texas.

Decades of repairing broken fences, burglaries, home invasions and other crimes associated with smuggling activities have left many border residents disillusioned with U.S. Customs and Border Patrol enforcement, which they see as ineffective, and with elected officials in Washington who are either unaware of the problem or do not consider it a priority.

"The border can be secured, we've proved it in a lot of different areas where the Border Patrol has shut it down, but they've diverted them farther and farther out into the country, into these peoples' backyards. It can be secured, but they have to have a desire to do it, and they have to actually have some directions on how to do it," said Gary Thrasher, a large animal veterinarian who has worked with the ranching community in Cochise County for years.

Rancher Fred Davis lamented what he called a lack of innovation in Border Patrol efforts in Cochise County.

"They never try anything new here, they just pound their head against the wall, the same way they've done it forever," Davis said.
The source of the issue extends to the nation?s capitol, however.

"The main thing is, there's no will in Washington to shut down the border, and that?s our main problem," he said.
Many of the local ranchers spoke up in support of the efforts of the Cochise County Sheriff's Office, and called on federal leaders to work more closely with local law enforcement.

"What we really need is more involvement with local police and local sheriffs, in directing how to do it in their area, and they can specifically shut down those areas," Thrasher said.

When local agencies work closely with their federal partners, they produce results, said Sheriff Mark Dannels.
An example provided by the sheriff was the early success of a joint task force, the Southeastern Arizona Border Region Enforcement team, established in 2013 and made up of deputies and federal agents from the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

"The first six-to-eight weeks they were in operation, they took down 30 people. This is a collaborative effort," Dannels said. "What we're doing at the local level are solutions."

A number of other sheriffs from across Arizona were also present at Saturday?s meeting and spoke on the impacts that poor border security was having in their communities.

"The best way to explain it is, it's like a wave. It hits here, five hours later, it's hitting up there," said K. C. Clark, sheriff of Navajo County. "We have illegals going through there. We get into pursuits with them. They wreck cars, or drive them through communities."

Earlier this month, Pinal County Sheriff's Deputies pursued a man going over 100 m.p.h. on the interstate carrying a load of illegal immigrants. The driver, once caught, was found to have been departed from the country 20 times.
"We've got to enforce the law. There's got to be real consequences," said Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu.
Leaders in Washington need to take what is known to work and apply it on the border before a catastrophe occurs, he said.

"The culture of Mexico and Central America, they fear their military, and they all realize and know the American military is the most powerful in the world. Keep in mind they want to go without detection into the United States. So we have all these things working for us. We need to deploy armed soldiers, for a period of two years, not to militarize the border, but to gain control of the border, all nine sectors of the US. Border Patrol," Babeu said.

The National Sheriffs' Association can do more and will do more to get the message heard from local ranchers out to national leaders, Eaverson said.

"Someone made the point that, if you're going to fix the problem, you need to talk to the people that deal with it on a day-to-day basis, and you need to get them involved in the process, and he?s exactly right," he said. "It starts here, but it doesn't end here."

http://www.svherald.com/content/sierra-vista-news/2015/04/26/395733
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The thing is, it has been drastically reduced, and those who piss and moan are pissing gallons instead of pints and moaning at  even louder decibel rates. They will never be satisfied, because some of them actually WANT cheap illegal labor to keep flowing in, since they benefit from it.  They say they do not because desperate illegals will work for even less.

They could do a lot more to prevent those from hiring illegals from doing so, bit they refuse because they have set up this phony goal of "sealing the border".
This can be done better in steps than in insisting that the border be "sealed" before anyone does anything.

The reality is that we will  NEVER send back 11 million illegals. NOT gonna happen. Many of these people are hard workers, and some of them should and will be given a way to become citizens.

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The thing is, it has been drastically reduced

But it is still HUGE!
It's not as big as it was....but still HUGE.
So lets not pretend it has been anywhere near solved.

They could do a lot more to prevent those from hiring illegals from doing so

Of course they can!
But the corruptness in Washington doesn't give a rats ass what the American People want.

The reality is that we will  NEVER send back 11 million illegals. NOT gonna happen.

The one's here are not the primary problem....
the larger problem is cutting off the faucet.
we have enough already
we don't need millions more new illegals in the next decade
we don't need you saying in ten years "we cant send back 18 million illegals"

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I would definitely not say our borders are unsecure but room for improvement I would agree. I was in mexico two years ago and it took me a legal naturalized citizen with documentation over 2.75 hrs to get back to the U.S. so unsecure is not the right word. I even got questioned. it`s not like I can blend in mexico.

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There are somewhere near 12 million that are here illegally. Even if a few million are overstayed Visas, that leaves millions crossing thru what you call a secure border. In 2014 alone tens of thousands of women and children, many children unaccompanied by their parents, came to the United States from Central America. Most simply crossed the Rio Grande and turned themselves into to the Border Patrol. Already Obama called for an appropriation of $4 billion for this latest illegal invasion.
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It is impossible to prevent each and every person who wants to come to this country from entering the country. There were lots of defections from East Germany to West Germany even when they had a 15 foot wall and the Volkpolitzei shot on sight.


  That is a good example .

    People had a lot of motivation to leave the strict and poverty stricken socialist state , so much that the place would have emptied without that very tough border.

     In this case the poverty stricken state is not trying to slow the transfer , the wealthy one is.

      If the problem is about one third less right now it seems that the main reason is that it is 33% more difficult to get a basic job .

       So thanks President Obama , I don't know how you did it , but eventually when our standard of living is equal to that of Guatemala there will be no immigration problem whatsoever.

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So thanks President Obama , I don't know how you did it , but eventually when our standard of living is equal to that of Guatemala there will be no immigration problem whatsoever.
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True, you don't know how he did it, because HE DIDN'T DO IT. There are NOT "millions of people" entering illegally every week, month or year: that is CRAP.

When Reagan granted amnesty, all you reactionaries worshiped his sorry wrinkled ass, and still do. You elected Olebush, and more illegals came, and you were mute. You remained mostly mute through eight years of Clinton and eight more of Juniorbush. Now Obama has lowered the rate of entry considerable, deported more than his predecessors, and suddenly you ate blathering on about how the US will have the standard of living of Guatemala. The entire population of Guatemala  is less than those who arrived between the time of Reagan and Juniorbush.

The thing is the idiot Republicans will do nothing until illegal crossings are zero, and even if they were zero they would simply LIE about it, because a large number of Republicans WANT illegals here and scared shitless of being deported. You are being used  and lied to and are too effing stupid to admit it.

You should be THANKING President Obama for the job he has done. He has done a better job than anyone since Eisenhower at this. And we all know who did the worst job: REAGAN.

Take a look at any US/Mexico border sometime, with twelve lanes of traffic in both directions, and then maybe you would understand how no president will EVER manege to cut the rate of illegal entry to much lower than it is today/
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There are NOT "millions of people" entering illegally every week, month or year

There better not be....that would be over a 100 million a year!
But there is still way too many!
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What exactly was done , that reduced the influx of illegal immigrants?

Can we do more of it ?

Or would we starve from it?

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Obama hired a lot more Border Patrol people, more walls and fences have been constructed.

It is less easy to get into this country than it has been in decades.
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What exactly was done , that reduced the influx of illegal immigrants?

Governmental terms were changed, that dealt with how counting illegal immigrants was done.  Specifically, they changed the parameters of deportation, by adding simple border crossings, that no other administration had done and whalaaa.....sudden "increase" in deportations, and related decrease in the influx of illegal immigrants


Can we do more of it ?

Sure, change more words.....change illegal to legal, and you've abolished the whole problem of illegal immigration

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Obama hired a lot more Border Patrol people, more walls and fences have been constructed.

It is less easy to get into this country than it has been in decades.

You mean that the primary demand of the Republican Congressmen was given?

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The border will NEVER be 100% secure. The fact is that Obama has done more to make the border more secure than anyone in this century.

The rightwing clowns that are backing inaction on immigration reform WANT insecure borders. They ENJOY hiring illegals who are terrified of being deported. They drive down the wages they have to offer and cause no problems with strikes, demands for a safer workplace and higher wages.
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