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Plane

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Mothers ranking.
« on: May 05, 2015, 07:06:46 PM »
How does this happen in the first place, then how does it get worse right now?


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... The U.S. comes in the 33rd out of 179 in the "Mothers' Index Rankings" -- one of the lowest spots held by any other comparably developed nation.

The Mothers' Index Rankings takes into account five things: the lifetime risk of maternal death, mortality rate for children under the age of five, formal schooling years of children, gross national income per capita and women's participation in national government.

Last year, the U.S. ranked 31st overall, ......

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/05/u-s-one-of-the-worst-countries-for-mothers-europe-the-best-st/21179929/

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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 11:01:17 PM »
This does not mean that the US is definitely worse in real terms, only that it is worse when compared with other countries. It MIGHT mean that the US has gotten worse. It could mean that Belarus has showed improvement.

The basic problems are that poor women have a limited access to health care, and that single mothers are poor because of poor;ly paid jobs or no jobs at all.

Governor Scott and the Republican'ts in our state legislature are doing their best to make it worse. Rather than expanding Medicare, they shut the legislature down early and are suing the federal government.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 11:13:20 PM »
   Does this mean that the benefits of Obamacare are a delayed effect?

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 03:19:32 AM »
uhm maybe it`s lifestyle related. our culture doesn`t exactly prep mothers to be to handle childbirth. so we get bonanza cartwrite style mortality rates. cam we really say American women are as fit as women in other countries.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 12:03:20 PM »
The effects of Obamacare are probably too recent to figure into these statistics.

The fact that a large number of children are born into poverty figures into this greatly.
There are lots and lots of single mothers who cannot get a 40 hr per week job.

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 12:24:02 PM »
Well
The single mom issue could definately be a factor. Less resources and support.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 01:19:13 PM »
Kimba....you hit the nail on the head.  This has nothing to do with Republican'ts, and everything to do with rewarding bad decisions & judgement...using tax payer dollars.  Single mom's should NOT be having children, if they can't afford to take care of themselves, much less an innocent child (and in even more reckless judgement, multiple children) brought into the mix. 

Before the 1960's, most Black children were raised in 2 parent homes, nor is this unique to blacks alone.  The poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits every year since 1994.  When Government brought forth the "Welfare state", with the greatest of "intentions", what the GOVERNMENT, and those politicians that pushed it, was to set the stage for an epidemic of poor moral decisions, most often leading to more and more births out of wedlock, and more and more "need" for Government assistance.  Which of course, was largely the goal of the "Welfare state"

You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.

Non-judgmental subsidies of counterproductive lifestyles are treating people as if they were livestock, to be fed and tended by others in a welfare state -- and yet expecting them to develop as human beings have developed when facing the challenges of life themselves.

Behavior matters and facts matter, more than the prevailing social visions or political empires built on those visions
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 03:55:44 PM »
They made a BAD DECISION and should be PUNISHED.

By watching their children cry because they are hungry, of course.

That'll teach 'em!

If you check out the percentage of the Nordic countries of children born out of wedlock, it is pretty high as well.

You can't send the children back to where they came from, no matter how they came to be born.
That means that the choices are to subsidize their education at home, take them away from their irresponsible mothers (and have their tubes tied, so taxpayers will not have to pay for more) and raise them in foster homes or perhaps  government run orphanages, or just let them go without food, housing and medical care.

Perhaps some were born because their mothers worked for Chik-Fil-A, and didnp;t get birth control included in their medical insurance because the owners of ChikFil-A don't believe in birth control.

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 04:14:41 PM »
I love the thought process of a radical socialist....not receiving tax payer payed rewards for bad behavior & judgement is "punishment".  Just another mutated defintion of a term, that the rest of us have come to know    ::)    Here's a hint...punishment is doing something bad to a person for an act they performed.  A fine is punishment.  Jailing is punishment.  Being sent to your room is punishment.  NOT receiving tax payer funds for bad acts is NOT punishment, I'm afraid to say
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 05:55:23 PM »
So, you are cool with not providing any money at all for the children that the mother irresponsibly gave birth to?

The culture of poverty affects everyone. Where there is poverty, there is illiteracy, there is unemployment, there is crime.
Where there is crime, people get sent to jail. And that will result in raising your taxes as much or more than providing funds to educate the kid so he won't go to prison on your nickel.

And then there is the cost of living in a lace where there is crime and you have to pay more for walling yourself off in a gated community, plus the property taxes and member fees to keep your community of the smug and successful isolated from the real world.

You are ever so smug about teaching that poor woman a lesson, but the end result is that you are punishing yourself.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2015, 06:42:31 PM »
So, you are cool with not providing any money at all for the children that the mother irresponsibly gave birth to?

I am fine for "some" monies to go towards programs that are geared towards helping folks get out of the welfare state.  But the ongoing avoidance of the gorilla in the room is the issue, not the repercussions afterwards


The culture of poverty affects everyone.

The culture of the Welfare State, perpetuates and exacerbates the very poverty you are referring to.  And that's a policy spearheaded by the Government,  Under Clinton, we had some major welfare reform, with democrats decrying how horrible things would get....and instead, the exact opposite occured... more people worked on marketing themselves, more people became employed, less people on welfare, and more federal tax revenues came pouring in, as a result of more people employed, helping to balance our budget, under a GOP controlled House of Representatives.  Flash forward to current time, where Obama has reinstated much of the pre-existing welcare state prior to Clinton, now we have GREATER poverty, GREATER unemployment, GREATER Food Stamp Usage, and GREATER amount of folks "on welfare"

Which of course, is the purpose of such a policy....get more folks hooked on Government assistance, thus perpetuating a greater and greater voting block for politicians who push Government assistance policies.  Its not rocket science, but it definately fools the ignorant, using "good intentions", and emotionally charged sophistry

I'm not teaching any lessons here, outside that decisions have repercussions.  Negative decisions are SUPPOSED TO HELP KEEP THOSE FROM MAKING SIMILARLY IRRESPONSIBLE/RECKLESS DECISIONS.  But in liberal loony land, where up is down, and right is left, bad decisions need to be rewarded, and success must be punished.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2015, 09:36:38 PM »
Be careful about the welfare state line of thinking . I believe it backfired when it started to go so far as to call social security as a form of it and some politicians actually started to insult people on it. Not thinking that quite apfew are senior citizen who can vote.

Strangely insulting single moms not too much of a political problem.

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2015, 12:10:45 AM »


Strangely insulting single moms not too much of a political problem.

With all due respect Kimba, this is exactly why we're in the financial straits that we are.  Instead of dealing with behavioral standards & personal responsibility that lead to such reckless decisions, we would rather not "offend" some particular voting block, thereby perpetuating precisely the ongoing poverty spiral and expanding welfare state.  Remember, when Clinton, was dragged kicking & screaming to sign welfare reform, things got BETTER....FOR EVERYONE.  The rich got richer, the poor got richer, unemployment continued to be largely under control.  Those hard core liberal Dems may have not liked it...the idea that more people would need less Government assistance, BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING

Now, we have politicians scared to death to reform anything, for fear of being labeled, hateful, uncaring except for only "the rich".  I have news for Republicans.....they're already called that.  I understand they're not going to get this hard core liberal President to sign off on any welfare reform, but this thread is about the current reality of mothers in this country, in particular this tangent on unwed mothers having children out of wedlock, then literally EXPECTING complete financial support of those reckless, irresponsible decisions/acts
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2015, 12:52:44 AM »
  Can we say that the Government has made a mistake to increase the dependence of the people on the government?

   The government has always been dependent on the people , but now the people are also dependent on the government in return.

You can't really climb the stairs by pulling on your bootstraps , or by throwing a rope over a cloud.

    You can't borrow perpetually either, paying back has to happen or the reservoir dries up. Right now the government has half of us depending on one program or another to just get by, almost half of us paying in a reasonable amount and about five percent of us handing over eighty percent of the tax receipts.

    It doesn't seem sustainable , and most of the change is in the direction of having more of us  more dependent on the government , and the government more and more  dependent on fewer and fewer of us.

    How is it that we support Women more than ever , and yet a greater proportion of   children are born out of wedlock and into poverty than ever?

     Was the great society and freely available abortion intended to impoverish women and children?

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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2015, 01:41:31 AM »
Of course  it's not just single moms but the problem is you only see the trouble makers. Pretty sure the responsible moms are not visible enough to offset the bad ones tarnishing thier inage. one comes to mind whose life overwhelm any knowledge i have of other single moms. She totally think it's her right to collect food stamp and consider it another source of income.

What I'm getting at even if all these government programs are a success it's the people like my friend who people only see and think it's a failure.

She's also proof it's not always about race. She's white born of privilege with more personal resources me and all my other friends combined but bad choice lead down a serious path. Leading her just scraping by and not raising her kids. She's the sort of friend which one must make a decision that any help you give may backfire and harm you. 

Her life has taught me maybe hitting rock bottom might not be a solution. People never mention how dangerous that is. A vehicular deaths came into this situation. Yes plural.
She didn't cause it but her drinking has made it part of her life. See how overwhelming this story is to say single moms living peaceful productive lives. Sadly I'm not making this up
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