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F-22 F-35 X-47
« on: May 25, 2015, 07:23:18 PM »
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2015, 07:39:39 PM »
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2015, 10:19:48 PM »
Jeez, what a load of propaganda!

We will have more and more wars and they will be worse and blah blah and jabber jabber.

The F22 Raptor, appropriately named for a dinosaur.

Drones are the answer, there is no reason to pay the bazillions these toys will cost.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2015, 11:46:33 PM »
Drones are not cheap.

They are onoy cheap in comparison to the fighters and bombers that they are competing with.

I note that the Air Force is training more Drone pilots than regular pilots.

Drones have to be viewed in terms of what they can and can't do.

They can turn inside a fighter, they don't have mothers and they can loiter without bladder relief on the job a long time.

On the other hand, they crash about 3 times as often as manned planes, they can be meconned or suborned, and they are perfectly terrible at checking their own six.

  If we were using drones against a more modernized enemy, the drones would be very vulnerable to getting shot down by fighters.

I disagree with the documentary about the F-35 which seems bound to disappoint.
But the F-22  is a for real world beater.

They are also right about the F-15 surviving every dogfight it has ever been in, but that its equal is in the marketplace now.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 01:13:02 AM »
Wow plane


Totally makes sense since a drone pilot has zero personal danger they can be more reckless. Did not think of that. Telling them not to wreck doesn't have the same sting than actually dying from a crash.
I'll bet they do alot more ramming
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2015, 09:28:49 AM »
Where, exactly, is the USAF likely to have dogfights? 
I seriously doubt that Al Qaeda or IS will ever take to the air. I am pretty sure that we have Iran outclassed.

This ad is just that: an ad to sell hideously expensive unnecessary crap to ignorant Congressmen that are far more concerned with getting a piece of the production in their districts than they are in defense.

If you add the cost of maintenance  training pilots, prosthetic for those who have accidents, and payments to widows and children, theses damned things cost many times more than the original price tag.

The fact is that this country does not need three air forces, either.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2015, 05:35:07 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on May 26, 2015, 09:28:49 AM
Where, exactly, is the USAF likely to have dogfights? 

China.
Eastern Europe
Venezuela.

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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2015, 05:50:41 PM »
The US does not have any business fighting in Ukraine, Venezuela or China. Whatever aircraft we already have is better than anything they have in the event that we elect some buffoon that mongers a war over anything as inconsequential as Crimea or the Spratleys. There is no reason why the US would need fighter jets to Venezuela.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2015, 05:52:36 PM »
  Well then, we may need them right here.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2015, 06:06:02 PM »
What country would attack the US mainland with aircraft superior to what we already have?

The main reason they want to build these things is for the huge amount of money it will cost. Money for Boeing and their suppliers, money for the next political campaign.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2015, 06:28:53 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on May 26, 2015, 06:06:02 PM
What country would attack the US mainland with aircraft superior to what we already have?

The main reason they want to build these things is for the huge amount of money it will cost. Money for Boeing and their suppliers, money for the next political campaign.

   This seems contradictory, am I understanding badly?

    We are safe from attack because of our military superiority.
     Therefore it is wasteful to maintain military superiority?

       Better aircraft than the F-15 are being sold , several countries are making them.

       
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2015, 06:32:14 PM »
BINGO!!
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2015, 09:02:36 PM »
But the real question what is better.

For our advanced weapons it did not stop a bunch of failed student pilots from stealing planes.
Yes we need weapons advancement we need to have multiple options. Things that is not just bigger or better.

Notice no data on technology to highjack drones or tech to overcome known ied. I hear nothing on neutralizing landmines or bypassing them.

Why are we not focusing on the enemy. How about a emp weapon to scramble thier weapons. Yes we maybe immune but i never heard that they are.

So far we are not fighting countries with the most advance tech and are likely bought which makes them naturally not cutting edge we should have intel on this.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2015, 09:38:19 PM »
The 9-11 guys who hijacked planes had nothing to do with fighter jets.
I question that "other countries  better planes".

We do not need billion dollar airplanes. We cannot afford billion dollar airplanes.

Luckily, neither can anyone else.

Fighter aircraft are obsolete. They could simply spiff up what they already have and save the money.
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Re: F-22 F-35 X-47
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2015, 09:49:33 PM »
You know i got some real doubts about the quality of planes at that price range. Remeber these things normally go through a bidding process and that price a politician is involved so quality may not be the deciding factor sometimes. Also what happens to the planes made by the competition ? Second best can be a very small margin so still very deadly. This might be why other countries got better weapons
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