Hillary's Core Constituency

[sirs]

Messers O'Mally & Sanders can try and placate the Democratic base with all forms of rhetorical Wall Street boogiemen, racist Republicans, and Class Warfare, however Hillary's going to be the Democratic Candidate for the 2016 election, because the Oligarchy owns her, and they want their investment to see some dividends

That said, Hillary's baggage is getting bigger by the day.  Obama was elected because so many wanted to vote for "the 1st black guy".  You also had a large contingent who were put off by the war in Iraq, and so they voted as a referendum on Bush.  Still more saw Obama as this potential "new" politician, poised to transcend modern day politics, and actually work to bring us together, based on previous stump speeches and "promises".  We'll simply put aside all the optmistic blank slate voters, since the one thing in Obama's favor, besides the media & skin color, was that he had very little "baggage", to judge him by.  Conservatives knew about all the Rev Wright garbage, and his stellar consistent liberal voting record, but those were really the only "biggies" as it related to baggage

Hillary on the other hand, is nearly the opposite animal.  An entrenched public servant, bought and payed for a dozen times over, even less transparent than our current community organizer & chief.  A massive record of both incompotence & untrustworthiness.  Yes, she'll have the Democrat base vote, and with the help of the MSM and uber billioniare donars, even get those to vote for her because she'd be the 1st "woman" going against those evil woman hating Republicans.  But she's not going to have those seeking to "vote a referendum", since any referendum would be against Obama & his party.  She's not going to have the optimistic moderate or fence sitter, looking for a transcending politician, since she personifies DC politics & sleaziness

The left may be reeling with their presumptive nominee, knowing just how screwed a candidate they've put their support behind

[Xavier_Onassis]

What Hillary personifies for you is not what she personifies to other people.
Rev. Wright's opinions at no point were endorsed by Obama or the Democratic Party, and were only baggage to Rev. Wright.

[sirs]

What Hillary personifies for you is not what she personifies to other people.

Like these people?  The more of a candidate she becomes, the lower her trustworthiness and transparency poll numbers go.  That's not me, that's country wide.  Face it, xo, if Hillary had an (R) after her name, you'd be condemning her 24/7, as being a puppet of the Oligarchy, completely detached to regular middle class folk

 

Rev. Wright's opinions at no point were endorsed by Obama or the Democratic Party, and were only baggage to Rev. Wright.

It was intimate baggage to Obama, since he listened to that racist reverend, never once leaving that parrish, voicing any objections, even making him largely his "spiritual counselor".  That was every bit Obama's baggage

[Xavier_Onassis]

All you know about Rev. Wright was ONE PART of ONE SERMON. That is all; that was ever made available. And the point he made was a valid one: the US should have been condemned by God for allowing lynchings and Jim Crow crap for so long. The US should not be blessed for its mistreatment of Indians and Black people.

There is no custom of telling a preacher that you think he is wrong in this country, as you seem to think.
Just as no one tells the choir that they sang a note a bit flat.
You have never been to a Black church and therefore do not understand how the ceremony functions.

You would not vote for Hillary if she was running against Lucifer, so your condemnation is meaningless.

And again, there you are, telling me what I would do if Hillary were a Republican.
As I have said many times, I totally disagree with the basic premise of the GOP, it is not just the individuals they tend to run, it is their ideology that sucks because it is undemocratic, unfair and unAmerican.

[sirs]

There were multiple sermons given, that demonstrated his racist & Anti-American rants.  And Obama took them ALL in, and said nothing.  Making him his chief spiritual counselor, and only throwing Wright under the bus, when the poll #'s made that decision for him.  Nor did it require Obama to tell his preacher off.  He could have simply just left.  He chose to stay and keep listening to Wright's garbage.  Wright's baggage WAS Obama's baggage

And this has nothing to do with my vote, so whether I would vote for her or not, is irrelevent.  This has everything to do with the advantages Obama had when he ran, that Hillary doesn't have.  And as has been plainly provided, that while you rail against this unseeing un-named oligarchy as controlling politicians (Republicans apparently only in your tweaked mind), Hillary has been bought and payed for both domestically & by foreign interests, including other governments.  So much so, she had to go to great lenghts to try and hide it, and disclose as little as possible. 

Your frequent venting aimed at Republicans is based on they're having been bought up by the famous Oligarchy.  So yea, if Hillary were a Republican, she'd be one of those uber-rich politicans like Romney, and receiving the same irrational condemnations, based on his wealth, that you've rained all over every other rich republicans, whove supposedly been bought off.  But because she has a (D), she gets the hypocritical pass.  Now, if you were to condemn Hilary for such non-disclosure of all these millions in foreign donations, and were supportive of either O'Mally or Sanders, THEN, you might have a credible leg to stand on. 

[Christians4LessGvt]

SIRS you are right.....Hillary has a Wall Street Problem!

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[Xavier_Onassis]

Stop telling me what the imaginary me in your warped and deranged brain would do if blah blah or diddle diddle.

You have never heard more than a one minute clip of Rev Wright. It is stupid to assume that anyone believes people they hear speak, anyway.

[sirs]

While I appreciate the continued effort to try and sway the coversation away from the core of the thread, and onto some tangent regarding Rev Wright, the fact still remains that your hypocrisy in supporting Hillary's intimate financial connections with mega donors both domestic and foreign, is as transparent as Hillary's is nontransparent

[Xavier_Onassis]

I did not bring up Rev Wright. That was YOU. I do not think Rev Wright mattered or ever will matter even one whit. You have no idea how many gasbag preachers I have been forced to listen to in college functions over the years. I was especially fond of the guy who punctuated every sentence by stomping on the stage and saying that he knew that every member of the faculty of my fine institution was a Born Again Christian. I winked at my collague Dr Ross, who was Jewish, and an atheist, and she winked back.

For what it is worth, I prefer Bernie Sanders to Hillary.  I am pretty sure he would not get paid any large sums by Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan, but I do not think he will be in the race by the time of the FL primary. Bernie is honest and tells it like it is.

I prefer Hillary to any of the toads the Republican'ts are likely to run. This conversation is about your Hillary Hatred, which is of no real importance to me or anyone but you.

[sirs]

This conversation is nothing about Hillary hatred.  That's merely your attempt at avoiding the topic at hand.  It's about the dichotomy between Obama's presidential campaign, vs Hillary's.  Wright was a footnote, nothing more.  You're the one trying to drag him in as the crux of some tangent you're trying to make

Now, its a breath of fresh air to see you'd prefer the uber socialist Sanders to the more status quo liberal Hillary, but the point still remains how you continue to giver her a pass.....not a whiff of criticism....that would have you going apesnot, if she had an (R) after her name

[Plane]

  I like the title of this thread.

    Who are they ? What indeed is the common element of the people who really like Hillary?

       What about Hillary pleases them?

[sirs]

Exactly.  The arguement the professor is trying to make is one of a liberal base Democrat who has no inention of voting for anyone that doesn't have a (D) after their name.  They can take whatever millions from whatever donars, be beholden to any and every lobbying group.  Hell, they can even have a criminal record or in the process of being indicted. Just as long as they have a (D), that's all that matters

(and no xo, that's not implying that Hillary has a criminal record or is about to be indicted.  It was merely a general reference voting by the base of the Democrat party)

Plane gets the point I was making. It has nothing to do with Hillary hatred or who Plane or I intend to vote for.  Its about who would vote for Hillary.  And you can't claim that they'd vote for her because the alternative is a Republican, since that's not the folks I'm referring to.  That's a Democrat base voter, who would be making that as their primary decision maker.  Hillary has a major baggage problem which includes tanking poll #'s in both trust & credibilty.  She's an entrenched Public Politician, drowning in massive amounts of campaign donations, both foreign & domestic, laudered thru her Foundation, that conveniently any and all evidence not-so-surprisingly deleted from her private computer & private server

So, outside the Democrat base, who would vote for her, even if she were in jail pinstripes, what other constituencies would find her appealing enough to vote her in as the President of the U.S.?

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is not about voting foe Democrats. It is about preventing Republican'ts from winning. I would vote for Vegetarians, Sagittariuns or anyone that was less beholden to the Oligarchy. As I said, I prefer Bernie Sanders to Hillary.

It is the Kochs who publicly declared that they intended to spend 900 million on this election.

Hillary is not wearing jailbird clothes except in your warped and twisted tiny mind.

[Plane]

   In what sense is Hillary Clinton less beholden to oligarchy than other candidates?

     What she gets for giving a speech at a college would pay  a couple of Doctors full ride.

    How good can a speech be , that it is worthy of this rate of pay?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Republican donors are the coal, oil and gas bazillionaires, along with cattle and timber barons and others who oppose tighter clean air and water standards and who want to use public lands for their own gain.