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      Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.

The prejudice of homophobia may also stem from authoritarian parents, particularly those with homophobic views as well, the researchers added.

"This study shows that if you are feeling that kind of visceral reaction to an out-group, ask yourself, 'Why?'" co-author Richard Ryan, a professor of psychology at the University of Rochester, said in a statement. "Those intense emotions should serve as a call to self-reflection."

The research, published in the April 2012 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, reveals the nuances of prejudices like homophobia, which can ultimately have dire consequences. [The 10 Most Destructive Human Behaviors]

"Sometimes people are threatened by gays and lesbians because they are fearing their own impulses, in a sense they 'doth protest too much,'" Ryan told LiveScience. "In addition, it appears that sometimes those who would oppress others have been oppressed themselves, and we can have some compassion for them too, they may be unaccepting of others because they cannot be accepting of themselves."

Ryan cautioned, however, that this link is only one source of anti-gay sentiments.

Hidden homosexuality
In four studies, the researchers looked at the discrepancies between what people say about their sexual orientation and their implicit sexual orientation based on a reaction-time test. The studies involved college students from Germany and the United States.

For the implicit measure, students had to categorize words and pictures flashed onto a computer screen into "gay" or "straight" groups. Words included "gay," "straight," "homosexual" and "heterosexual," while the pictures showed straight and gay couples. Before each trial, participants were primed with the word "me" or "others" flashed momentarily onto a computer screen. The researchers said quicker reaction time for "me" and "gay," and a slower association of "me" with "straight" would indicate said an implicit gay orientation. [Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents]

In another experiment, the researchers measured implicit sexual orientation by having participants choose to browse same-sex or opposite-sex photos on a computer screen.
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Questionnaires also teased out the parenting style the participants were exposed to, with students asked how much they agreed or disagreed with statements such as: "I felt controlled and pressured in certain ways;" and "I felt free to be who I am." To gauge homophobia in a household, students responded to items such as, "It would be upsetting for my mom to find out she was alone with a lesbian" or "My dad avoids gay men whenever possible."

Participants indicated their own level of homophobia, both overt and implicit; in word-completion tasks, students wrote down the first three words that came to mind when prompted with some of the words' letters. Students were primed at some point with the word "gay" to see how that impacted the amount of aggressive words used.

Controlling parents
In all of the studies, participants who reported supportive and accepting parents were more in touch with their implicit sexual orientation, meaning it tended to jibe with their outward sexual orientation. Students who indicated they came from authoritarian homes showed the biggest discrepancy between the two measures of sexual orientation.

"In a predominately heterosexual society, 'know thyself' can be a challenge for many gay individuals," lead author Netta Weinstein, a lecturer at the University of Essex in the United Kingdom,said in a statement. "But in controlling and homophobic homes, embracing a minority sexual orientation can be terrifying." [5 Ways to Foster Self-Compassion in Your Child]

Those participants who reported their heterosexuality despite having hidden same-sex desires were also the most likely to show hostility toward gay individuals, including self-reported anti-gay attitudes, endorsement of anti-gay policies and discrimination such as supporting harsher punishments for homosexuals.

The research may help to explain the underpinnings of anti-gay bullying and hate crimes, the researchers note. People in denial about their own sexual orientation, perhaps a denial fostered by authoritarian and homophobic parents, may feel a threat from other gay and lesbian individuals. Lashing out may ultimately be an indicator of the person's own internal conflict with sexual orientation.

This inner conflict can be seen in some high-profile cases in which anti-gay public figures are caught engaging in same-sex acts, the researchers say. For instance, evangelical preacher and anti-gay-marriage advocate Ted Haggard was caught in a gay sex scandal in 2006. And in 2010, prominent anti-gay activist and co-founder of conservative Family Research Council George Rekers was reportedly spotted in 2010 with a male escort rented from Rentboy.com. According to news reports, the escort confirmed Rekers is gay.

"We laugh at or make fun of such blatant hypocrisy, but in a real way, these people may often themselves be victims of repression and experience exaggerated feelings of threat," Ryan said. "Homophobia is not a laughing matter. It can sometimes have tragic consequences," as was the case in the 1998 murder of Matthew Shepard, a gay man.

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Re: Why do you hate gays? The Scientific American has this to say...
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2015, 02:34:17 PM »
The idiocy of course being that no one here hates gays.  But got love the consistency of arguing a point no one is making.  Dilbert would be proud     ;)
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2015, 03:41:04 PM »
I suggest that you should consider your intense aversion to gays as possibly being a sign that you are attracted to men sexually. sirs also mentions how one must strive to avoid this attraction to follow the strictures of the Holy Mother Church.

I do not think that most men are attracted to other men. I does not require any effort from me to resist gay urges.
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Re: Why do you hate gays? The Scientific American has this to say...
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2015, 04:09:56 PM »
I suggest you're full of crap with this hating gays garbage, or with the equally irrational attempt to lay some implication of being attracted to men.  But congrats on your choice not to have sex with other men. 
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Re: Why do you hate gays? The Scientific American has this to say...
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2015, 05:43:20 PM »
What did SciAm say about Phrenology?

What exactly makes this stuff scientific?

I don't see an objective test for homosexuality there.

Looks more like a test for subjectivity.

I love Scientific American, but they have a rather liberal editorial staff and objectivity goes out the window when they like the politics.

Perhaps they should call it "Sometimes Scientific American".

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Re: Why do you hate gays? The Scientific American has this to say...
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2015, 05:49:59 PM »
It isn't Scientific when you disagree with it.
There are ample cases of politicians and preachers that have persecuted and denounced  gays, and then turned out to be seriously closeted gays.
J. Edgar Hoover  lived with his pal Tolson all his life, never married and left us photos of himself wearing a lovely pinafore.
So there is something to what the Scientific American says here.
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Re: Why do you hate gays? The Scientific American has this to say...
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2015, 06:01:09 PM »
No.

Scientific study requires rigor , and deciding what results you want before you start is not science.

By the way , this principal makes it difficult for me too.

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Re: Why do you hate gays? The Scientific American has this to say...
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2015, 06:07:36 PM »
Science starts with a premise, such as things cannot burn without Oxygen.

In the social sciences, like psychology, you cannot freely manipulate the elements as one does chemicals or lab rats.

So these sciences are based on observed behavior of specific individuals.
That is how neurotics can be distinguished from psychotics, and catatonics from psychopaths.

The psychological premise here is that many men who oppose gays are harboring a latent desire to be gay.
There are certainly many examples of this, especially in the Church and in politics.

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Re: Why do you hate gays? The Scientific American has this to say...
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2015, 06:35:51 PM »
Science starts with a premise, such as things cannot burn without Oxygen.



Nonsense starts with a premise also, such as pigs fly south for the summer.

It becomes science when it becomes testable.

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2015, 06:39:28 PM »
Speaking of Oxygen, have you heard of this guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Lavoisier

One of the crimes of the revolution was this guys execution.

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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2015, 08:18:41 PM »
I do not disagree that the French Revolution killed a lot of people needlessly.
So did the monarchy that preceded it.
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2015, 08:38:34 PM »
I do not disagree that the French Revolution killed a lot of people needlessly.
So did the monarchy that preceded it.

  This is completely true.

   But the Revolution seems the more lawless.

    And the destruction of such a great mind was not only a murder and a crime against his person, but it also was depriving all mankind of this mans insight and thus an additional crime.

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2015, 09:01:03 PM »
There were good reasons for the French Revolution and it was necessary for progress to take place in France in the way that it did. The positive effects outweighed the negative ones. The same is also true of the American Revolution.
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