Gun Nut does his thing: Nine worshipers killed.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Guns make killing people more efficient. It would have been very difficult for this maniac to kill nine people with a knife, a bow and arrow, a crossbow, a laser sword or even a Klingon Bat'leth. Up until ten minutes before the killing spree began, dolts like we-know-who would have been defending his right to own a gun.  There were no Good Gun Nuts around, There rarely are any. There are only bad ones waiting to strike and useless ones feeling sanctimonious about how they are defending the Public Good with their private arsenals and outrage at anyone who might restrict them as the Swiss have restricted their gun ownership to sane people who have been trained. If you ask a Swiss person if he is safe from mass murder, he will tell you "of course". If you ask him why, he will say niente, rien, nichts, nagut about people bearing rifles on the city bus: he will mention the police.

OF COURSE those of us who want these massacres to stop will want to restrict the access of guns to potential mass murderers in some meaningful way, just like an outbreak of smallpox would have people clamoring in favor of vaccines and vaccinations. We have at least FIVE TIMES as much of this crap as any first world nation.
Nearly all the Gun Nuts are of the Useless sort: they are not present when they are needed and there is no reason to expect them to be, any more than a tire shop can be expected to be near wherever your tire goes flat.

[sirs]

Guns ALSO make defending oneself more efficient.  Exponentially MORE lives are saved with a gun than taken by one in this country.  But you don't seem to get that.  The only people I'd be defending their right to a firearm are those WHO HAVE NO INTENTION OF MURDERING ANYONE WITH IT.  Yea, it's a shame that there were no good or even useless gun nuts around, or the loss of life may have been negligible, if not prevented.  One wonders if this church was a designated "gun free zone"

News Flash....both the good gun nuts and useless gun nuts ALSO want any such massacres to to stop.  The WORST way to do that though, is to disarm the law abiding.  We have vaccines to prevent small pox.  There is no vaccines to prevent bad gun nuts from doing what they intend to do.  THEY are the sickness, and instead of focusing on that, you'd rather take away the vaccine.  See how upside down that thought process is??

[Xavier_Onassis]

I see that no other developed country has more than a fifth of this sort of thing. I see that mass mayhem does not seem to occur in the only state where the entry of guns can be restricted (Hawaii).

But there are just too many goddamned guns in circulation. When the gun nuts die, their guns will not. They will still be in circulation and a threat to the population. This insanity will continue, and I know who is to blame.

And you do not.
You are part of the problem. You want there to be more and more guns in circulation.

[Christians4LessGvt]

the Swiss have restricted their gun ownership to sane people

Fact: Switzerland trails behind only the U.S, Yemen and Serbia in the number of guns per capita.
Not a whole lot restriction going on when the Swiss have one of the highest guns per ca pita in the world!
Clearly proving that it is not guns that kill people.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Please stop being an idiot. Your knuckles will thank you for practicing bipedal locomotion.
Guns are used by people to increase their efficiency in killing people. Killing nine people with a knife, garrote or bludgeon would probably be impossible. A gun made this massacre possible, just as a toothbrush facilitates your gleaming white smile.

Switzerland does not allow people to obtain guns as easily as people in the US. It requires people to take classes in how to use guns safely, and restricts who can own a gun.


If the US decided to enact Switzerland's rather strict gun regulations, I imagine that far fewer people would get killed with guns.
The NRA and Useless Gun Nuts would probably go ballistic as well. The Supreme Court would have to rule on whether imposing Swiss gun regulations was Constitutional, and during the long process of the appeal, even more Useless Gun Nuts would stockpile their arsenals.

[sirs]

I see that no other developed country has more than a fifth of this sort of thing.

We are not any other country.  We are the United States, with the RULE OF LAW, a CONSTITUTION, and a BILL OF RIGHTS.  You're NOT going to ban a fundamental right, that we as Americans have.  So, you BMW all you want, but you can also remove that idea off the table, as its a moot arguement, until you want to have a debate on a Constitutional Convention, where you can then thereby amend it

So, what we HAVE on the table, is that in this country MORE LIVES ARE SAVED WITH THE USE OF A GUN THAN THOSE TAKEN.  FURTHER RESTRICTIONS OF LEGAL GUN OWNERSHIP WILL ONLY PUT AT RISK MORE INNOCENT LIVES.

By all means, we should make it harder for criminals, mentally impaired, and possibly even medically diagnosed addicts, to be able to obtain a firearm.  But, since MORE LIVES ARE SAVED WITH A GUN, THAN THOSE TAKEN, the WORST THING WE COULD DO, IT MAKE IT THAT MUCH HARDER FOR PERFECTLY RESPONSBILE GOOD & USELESS GUN NUTS TO OBTAIN THEM

The blame, if any, is on a culture that embraces disrespect of anyone you disagree with.  Especially authority figures.  To the point of facilitating hatred, and believing that they're not just wrong, but evil

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, more lives are NOT saved by Guns. That is just ratbag rightwing bullshit.
It is not true.

[sirs]

See?...that's the willful ignorance demonstrating itself, in its full glory.  It just can't be true, because if it were, it destroys the entire garabage about how horrible guns are at killing.  So, such facts must be dismissed & ignored.  It's like trying to deny the sun rises in the east, because you're purposely looking in a different direction

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is not true because it simply is not true. 

[sirs]

And you just keep telling yourself that.  It's not true because....it just can't be true.  Here back in the world of reality, we'll deal with the FACT that it is

[sirs]

More damn facts to ignore....thanks to South Carolina’s gun laws which heavily restrict concealed carry at churches, Emanuel AME Zion Church was effectively a “gun free zone” at the time of the attack.
 
92% of all mass killings in the United States occur in such locations.
 
That, of course, is a fact that President Obama & his cool-aide colored sychophants will never admit

[Xavier_Onassis]

Why are you blaming President Obama for South Carolina's gun laws?

[sirs]

So of course, you'll be able to point out, where I specifically blamed Obama for SC's Gun laws.  Good luck with that, Dr Deflection

[Xavier_Onassis]

You fail to read what you write, don't you?

[sirs]

And you apparently have failed to demonstrate anywhere where I claimed Obama was responsible for SC's gun laws.......thank you very much