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Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« on: June 23, 2015, 03:39:11 AM »
So.....The Constitution....Bill of Rights.  It's been opined that the 2nd most important amendment to the Constitution, sitting only behind the sacred combination of Free Speech, Freedom of Religion, & Freedom of the Press, that our Founders wanted to make sure we could.......hunt, and track down slaves.....I mean servants.  It's not written anywhere, we're just supposed to know that was the intention.

Every other Amendment, specifically referring to limits of the Government, but the 2nd.....well, that's all about hunting, because........well dammit, they had to hunt and track down wayward slaves, but putting in the term slaves, back in the late 1700's, when many had slaves, was apparently too politically incorrect

Anyone else grasp how flawed this line of rationalization is?  But there is an out.  If the Constitution is so outdated, so obsolete, so disconnected from our current modern society, there is the mechanisms to AMEND the Constitution.  The language is crystal clear, that even a Language teacher could grasp it.  That's the beauty of the Constitution.....that its literally a "How-to" blueprint for dummies.  Everything you needed to know as to how the Government functions, its limits, and how it can be amended to alter those limits....all rolled up into one nice set of parchment
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 09:44:33 AM »
Amending the Constitution of the US is nearly impossible.

But a National Handgun Registry does not violate the Second Amendment
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 11:25:05 AM »
Not only does it violate the entire concept of why the 2nd amendment exists, it would do precious little in preventing any gun crime
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 12:28:47 PM »
If a city or state can register and regulate guns, so can the Feds.

The more guns there are in circulation, the more people will die of being shot. 


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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 01:10:50 PM »
No, NOT according to the Constitution.  What is NOT delegated to the Feds, is what the States can tinker with.  If its not delegated as a function of the Federal Government, it's NOT something the Fed is legally authorized to do
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 01:43:12 PM »
Like you know....

There are federal laws against bazookas, machine guns, land mines, all manner of weapons.
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 02:00:44 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on June 23, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
Like you know....

Like I can read....

You're the one that seems to think he can read our Founders' minds, that the 2nd was specific to hunting & slaves      ::)


Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on June 23, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
There are federal laws against bazookas, machine guns, land mines, all manner of weapons.

Yes, and nothing of that has to do with registration.  Though as Plane has opined in the past, the citizenry was supposed to have the same type of armaments as the military.  While Bazookas & M1 Tanks are largely inefficient, in both concealment and practicality, the level of disarming this country has already withstood is likely greater than what the Founders ever would have envisioned

Point being, that unless its enumerated in the Constitution as a Function of the Fed...THEN IT ISN'T
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 06:31:01 PM »
Buy yourself an attack helicopter.
Kill something with its guns
Then eat it.

There is nothing that says you cannot own an attack helicopter in the Constitution, so it must be legal to own one.

By the way, I once asked the pharmacist to sell me some Potassium Chloride pills. I could not conceive of them being illegal, since they sell large containers of KCl in the supermarket as a salt substitute.

The pharmacist told me they were prescription only and that KCl was part of the drug cocktail used for lethal injections. Then he looked like he was about to turn me in to the Narcs.

Potassium Chloride is mentioned nowhere in the fucking Constitution. Go to the drugstore and try to buy it. I dare you.
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 07:36:31 PM »
A Helicopter is a mode of transporation, not a firearm.  Not only is it legal to have a firearm, its a Constitutional right.  You have no right to Potassium Chloride or an attack helicopter

Try again
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2015, 09:22:16 PM »
I have a right to buy all the fucking Potassium Chloride I wish in granular form in any supermarket
I just seem to be prohibited from buying it in pill form.

A machine gun is a firearm, you cannot buy one of those. A howitzer is a forearm, you cannot purchase one of those, either. Federal law prohibits this.

Every army has machine guns.
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2015, 09:42:11 PM »
Good for you.  You still have no right to Potassium Chloride
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2015, 10:30:02 PM »
Quote from: sirs on June 23, 2015, 09:42:11 PM
Good for you.  You still have no right to Potassium Chloride

Potassium Chloride can hurt you , but so can your chefs knife.

I feel that there are too many things forbidden , sometimes on the theory that only an expert can determine safe dose , sometimes just to preserve the monopoly of prescription.

More than half our history , we forbad no drug, what has been the benefit of forbidding so many?
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2015, 10:53:03 PM »
This would be a good choice , not to big to tow with a car, operate solo, reload your own reloads.

Even though you might have to go to France to buy this one , it would be a better one to own than a big one that requires a big truck to transport , a big crew to operate and very expensive rounds that can't be reloaded.


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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2015, 10:59:41 PM »
  Having a Constitutional convention is a scary idea.

    Some of the best educated Americans hashed out compromises with almost no public awareness until they were done.

     If we tried this again who would we choose and trust with the task? They could do anything.

     Amendments are the way to go, the public has plenty of time to consider them and figure out the difference between the desired effect and the effect.
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Re: Let's have that Constitutional Convention
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2015, 11:28:45 PM »
The amendment process in this country is too complicated and too lengthy.
The public had no read participation in drawing up the first constitution, and there was no plebiscite to approve it.

Since lobbyists dominate Washington politics, I do not think we'd end up with a better constitution.
There are still morons that think that the Electoral College has a useful purpose. It is the one feature that no other country copied. The idea that acreage has relevance is just stupid.

There won;t be any constitutional convention.

People will continue to buy more and more guns, and there will be more and more mass murders and each time the same idiots will blather on about their sacred right to be able to blow the heads off their fellow citizens. Nothing is going to change.

Unless there is a REALLY massive mass murder.  Someone wiping out the entire Board of Directors of some corporation.
That might be sufficiently convincing. When the Oligarchy thinks that someone is going to blow their balls off, then action might happen.

Not that I expect this.
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