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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 02:09:39 PM »
There's also proof that a certain % of every human society is composed of adulterous individuals.  So??  To each, their own
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 03:04:43 PM »
Can you be sure that Nacy Davis was a virgin when she married Ronald Reagan?

Can you be sure that Ronald did not fool around while he was married to Jane Wyman?
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 03:29:27 PM »
And what does that have to do with anything?   No rational comeback so just throw trash at Reagan and think that deflection gets you off the hook of the point you couldn't refute?  Think again
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2015, 04:38:02 PM »
You were referring to adultery. In his first ghostwritten "autobiography" Reagan vaguely admits to fooling around before his divorce to Wyman. You brought up the topic of adultery, not me. 

The topic here is CU4's belief that all of civilization has depended on marriages of one man to one woman, which is, of course, naive and false.

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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2015, 05:00:50 PM »
Since there is rather a lot of proof that a certain percentage of every human society is composed of gay individuals, why would you assume that gays do not have a function in human society?

SIRS STRAW MAN ALERT.

Who said they do not have a function in human society?
I just said I have hired them, promoted them, would vote for them, I actually had a gay doctor as well.
Quit making shit up out of thin air....it is a waste of space.

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Your concept that the entirety of human civilization has been based on married couples,
one man and one woman from Adam and Eve to present is quaint, but is hardly historically accurate.

2nd SIRS STRAW MAN ALERT.

The entirety of human history would not exist without the male/female union.
As hard as you may try to argue otherwise, it is an indisputable fact.
You, me, Sirs...mankind would not exist without the male/female union. PERIOD!
That is why there is no equal.
Marriage has come over many centuries to symbolize that sacred union.

You are only arguing about the use of one word.

Words have meaning.....yell "FIRE" in a theater and find out.
Homos....want what is not theirs.
Marriage is man and woman.
Homos can have a "civil union"...after all as you say only words right?....lol

You want to deny gay people to declare themselves to be married,
as though this would somehow affect you in any way, which it does not.

Yes it does affect me when a tiny politically correct special interest group wants to change the meanings
of words and language to fit their special interest cause by using un-elected courts that overturn repeated
votes of the people on a specific issue. Plus the homos and leftist will begin the next phase of this battle. If
anyone thinks this is it...they live in a fantasy land. Homos will next start litigating their agenda with
a huge cost on society....against business....against churches....against schools...against local and state gvts,
all with costs passed down to citizens...whether they be financial costs or freedom stealing costs....tons of
costly litigation on the whole of society for a tiny tiny fraction of society.

No one is forcing you to cornhole anyone or be cornholed by anyone.
You are free to have sex or not have it any way you choose.
 Just as everyone else should also have that right.

No one is denying homos the right to have their disgusting sex....again SIRS STRAW MAN ALERT!
More bullshit that relates to NOTHING I have said.

I dare you to speculate about how long anal sex has been practiced by human beings. I would say that it has been around, practiced by both men and women in every conceivable combination since before we came down from the trees. You should read research on binabos and chimps perhaps become enlightened. Anal sex between man and woman has been a method of birth control since forever. There are lots of porno tapes you could watch in which couples seem to really dig it.

Exactly my point....anal sex by anyone could have NEVER produced mankind nor will it EVER!
But only male/female union can produce mankind.
Male/Male Union or Female/Female Union = Only sex - can never produce mankind.
Male/Female Union = Sex but also produced mankind.....thus NO EQUAL.

You only think you are tolerant, but you are very far from it. You are seriously intolerant, uptight and uncool.

What is intolerant is the constant need to outright lie and fabricate about other's views are that disagree
with control freak views. Everybody is a racist that doesn't kow-tow to leftist's views.....
conservatives wanna starve grandma if they don't agree with reckless immoral gvt deficit spending
blah blah blah....

you judging what is "cool" is laughable....
but I suppose it is true that "cool" is in the eye of the beholder
so "coolness" 2EachHisOwn!
I don't find liberalism and control freakism "cool" at all.

One man one woman, forever joined let no man rend them asunder until death do they part is just one of several types of marriage.

Please show me where I said "one man one woman forever"?
Where? Show me?
Or are you lying again to see if it sticks?

You are certainly free to choose what is best for yourself, but why do you have this need to judge others that  do not fit into your rather limited group?

My limited group?
Hello? Homos are about 3% of the population.
Prior to the un-elected judges decision last week only 3 States had allowed Homo Marriage by vote!
The homos couldn't do it by vote or they would have....they knew they could not pull it off by vote.

BY THE WAY. the most common arrangement in the US seems to be not one man and one woman for life for as long as both shall live, but serial polygamy. You know, first Jane Wyman and then Nancy Davis. Ronald Reagan was a serial polygamist. So is John McCain. First Cindy, then Carol. Shit, your beliefs do not even extend to Republican Presidents and presidential candidates! 

More lies....see above.....no where did I say "one man one woman for life"....but feel free to just keep making shit up....lol


The next time you shake hands with one of your many gay pals,
CU, just think about where that had has BEEN!
Ewwwwww!  Now imagine it is CONTAGIOUS! 
Double Ewwwwwwww!

I rarely shake hands with anyone....I avoid it...but have to sometimes out of politeness
shaking hands is a nasty cultural custom that I wish would go away.
It has probably led to countless illness and death....but we keep doing this crazy-ass custom.
That's one of my pet-peeves about church....everyone wants to shake my hand....I carry hand santizer on Sundays!
As nasty as so many people are....straight or homo...I don't wanna be shaking hands with anyone.
Hetro or Homo...you are shaking hands with germs of all types of gross stuff including fecal....no thanks.
If I NEVER shake another hand in my life....it would be too soon!
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2015, 05:29:25 PM »
There is a reason to assert that homosexuality is congenital , if you want .

Whether it is true is an other thing.

Asserting that  homosexuality is inborn and unavoidable releases them from horror most feel at the prospect of recruitment.

Does a natural sort of parent really think it good news that their child is homosexual.

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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2015, 05:48:16 PM »
My limited group?
Hello? Homos are about 3% of the population.
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And intolerant assholes that they have the right to prevent LGBT people from equal treatment, what percentage of the population is that?
 
The idea that only people capable of reproducing children are capable of raising them is also rather quaint, being as we do not require teachers to be parents to educate children.

Nearly everything that children need to adapt themselves to any society does not require a pair of different sex organs.   

Of course, soap and water remove nearly all the germs from anyone's hands, and of course, there is always Clorox, which kills everything.
I was just kidding about shaking other people's hands. It has never bothered me a whit, and I am rarely ill.

You are a truly obsessed character.

I don't think that homosexuals do a lot of recruiting. I don't think they find it necessary, they seem to have a sense of "gay-dar" that seems to work.

A loving parent would understand that they can still love a gay child and that it isn't their fault.
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2015, 06:27:01 PM »


A loving parent would understand that they can still love a gay child and that it isn't their fault.
That does seem to be true.

But it is still not good news.

So you think there is no recruiting effort at all?

This would be good news,

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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2015, 06:29:44 PM »
XO....certainly Homos could raise a child
but most experts would agree that the ideal (if everything is else is pretty much equal)
is for a mother and father to raise a child.
again...Male/Female is the ideal and has no equal.

as far as obsessed....you need to stay up with current medical opinion
shaking hands is thought by many respected sources to be a factor in the spread of illness
In fact The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 80% of all infections are transmitted by hands.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-sh-germs-handshake-fist-bump-20140109-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fist-bump-handshake-high-five-which-spreads-the-most-germs/

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/mar/11/dr-dillners-health-dilemmas-shaking-hands.

http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/page-1/QUA-306955/Handshaking-Spreads-Germs-Get-Over-It

you claim it's never bothered you a bit
but I bet it has made you sick..
you just have not associated when you are ill that you shook hands with some germs days earlier
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2015, 09:04:12 PM »
You were referring to adultery.


Right. ....AS A CHOICE.  Why you brought Reagan into it, and what he supposedly did, is irrelevant to the point that such a choice is looked and judged to be an immoral one.  Which at the end of the day, any such sexual choices are nothing more than that.  Some choices less moral than others.
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2015, 01:35:26 AM »
The key word is taught. Thats is the proof its not choice. The majority if not all are taught to be straight. But still a percentage are gay. I did say if you find sex with a man repulsive , proof still its not choice. T he only the choice is acting on the attraction.

To use centuries of customs is easy to deny due to the fact many things do not past the test of time. Marraige in the. Past was largely involuntarily and now its mostly voluntary. Civil unions did exist but a push to stop it that likely made gay marriage to only option so thiers that to consider.


Yes it's choice but its choice with very little options. Your basicly telling a man he's only aloweed to marry people he's not attracted to and never will. So far the i do not recall forced marraiges in the U.S. So gay marriage has no influence on straight marraige. If people are divorcing because of this. Thats a choice also.

If marraige gets devalued because of this then it's just wasn't worth it to begin with. Remember i eas married i can say with authority it aint the gays that messed it up.

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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2015, 09:28:28 AM »
Being gay is based on attraction. Adultery is a religion-defined judgement.

Adultery came to regarded as a sin because of issues involving paternity and therefore inheritance. Sarah and Isaac get all of Abraham's stuff,  Hagar and Ishmael get driven out into the desert, perhaps to die. Of course, Hagar had no real choice in the affair, it was commanded bu Jehovah.

Later, sexually transmitted diseases became another disadvantage of adultery.

People being gay rarely has much to do with problems that heterosexual people have with marriage.
A woman gets married and hopes to change her husband.
A man gets married and expects the wife to remain the same.

As a rule, the women never manages to mold the man into the Perfect Husband, since most women have unrealistic expectations.
The woman never stays the same because of changes due to age and pregnancy and often the process of becoming smarter once she is no longer controlled by her family as a child.

No one gets their wish as a rule: the way the frustration over this works out determines the successfulness of the marriage.
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2015, 01:51:21 PM »
Adultery came to regarded as a sin because of issues involving paternity and  ....





    And?

    And nothing, a man that wants to reproduce needs to monopolize a woman's reproductive potential.

     The alternative is to love em and leave em, then trust to luck.

       Paternity is not really about stuff, people who have nothing of wealth,still have reproduction.


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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2015, 02:48:33 PM »
The less stuff a person has in most societies, the higher the rate of infidelity and illegitimacy.

People with stuff have always had more influence with makers of religious rituals and requirements.

Weeth Money dances ze dog.
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Re: Are People Really "Born Gay"?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2015, 02:56:10 PM »
The less stuff a person has in most societies, the higher the rate of infidelity and illegitimacy.

People with stuff have always had more influence with makers of religious rituals and requirements.

Weeth Money dances ze dog.

Now why should I think this true at all?

Having children is a priority above having stuff, for most of us the stuff is for the children.