think about it

[sirs]

Doesn't matter who calls who, what. 

Secession isn't overthrowing any Government....period.  It's merely leaving that existing Government, to start their own. 

Overthrowing is replacing the existing Government

[Xavier_Onassis]

So the American Revolution was also not overthrowing the Colonial government, since it replaced His Majesty's government with the government of the United States.

I do not thing there were many of the hallowed founding fathers that would agree with you.

I do not thin Abraham Lincoln would agree with you.

I doubt that Jefferson Davis would agree with you, either.


All rebellions and revolutions consist of replacing the standing government with another government.

Perhaps the exceptions would be Ricardo and Enrique, the Flores Magón brothers and Nestor Makhno and his followers, but I really doubt if you have any idea who they were.

[sirs]

And you'd be........drum roll........wrong again.  The American Revolution WAS an overthrow, since it was replacing the existing English Government, with the one the Founders have so impressively able to put together

The Civil War on the other hand, WAS a secession, as the south simply wanted to run their own little country, within the United States.  They weren't replacing anything.  However President Lincoln, disagreed with the attempt, and we had the bloodiest of all wars, as it relates to American casualties.  But the South wasn't trying to overthrow the North

You really don't know your American history very well, do you

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Confederacy did NOT want to run "their own little country, within the United States".  Total nonsense!

They wanted to completely separate themselves from the United States. They did not want to pay taxes to the Federal Government. Fort Sumter was about collecting tariffs on imports.

In the decade prior to the Secession, the South had managed to pass fugitive slave laws, which meant that any Black person could be enslaved by slave catchers, unless the Black person could show that he had been freed. Since free Black people were not born with papers, this meant that slaves could be held as slaves anywhere in the United States. California was admitted as a free state, but the there was a movement by California senator W.M. Gwin to divide it into two parts, one slave state and another a free state.

The South believed that it had achieved through clever deals and the Supreme Court dominance of the country. Previous presidents like Buchanan and Polk and even Pierce and Fillmore were either pro slavery or anti abolitionists.  When Lincoln won with only 39.8% of the vote, they felt they had been cheated, since only Lincoln was sympathetic to abolitionists.

And of course, the South expected war from the very first secession. They WANTED war, because they thought they had all the great generals and the advantage of defending their own territory.

The Southern States were entirely replacing the  Federal Government with their own Confederate government. And they started it by firing the first shot as well.

YOU are the one who does not understand history

[sirs]

The Confederacy did NOT want to run "their own little country, within the United States".

They wanted to completely separate themselves from the United States. They did not want to pay taxes to the Federal Government. Fort Sumter was about collecting tariffs on imports.

That's exactly the same thing as running their own country.  IT WASN'T ABOUT THEIR TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE NORTH OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND REPLACE IT WITH THEIR OWN.  They simply wanted to leave the Union   

[Xavier_Onassis]

Here is what they did NOT want to do:

They did NOT want to "run their own little country within the United States."

That is what you said, and it is simply bullshit.

I suppose slavery is fine with you as well. If there were slavery and Al Sharpton pissed you off, you could just buy him and whip the Hell out of him. Teach him a lesson!

Slavery, like ordering people to stop smoking, was, of course LEGAL. Hell it was even in the Constitution you worship.

If your slave sasses you, you would have a perfect right to beat him and set him right.

[sirs]

Here's what they did NOT want to do.....overthrow the Federal Government (the North).  As such, the only way to Govern themselves, was within the United States 

Apparently you skipped Geography as well as U.S. History   

We'll just dismiss the rest of your garbage, since that's all it amounts to

[Xavier_Onassis]

Garbage is all you spew.

The United States is a political entity.

North America is a geographical entity.

The Confederacy wanted to entirely and totally separate itself from the United States of America. They did not wish to be part of the USA, and in fact, they wanted to fight the USA from the first day of secession and said so at the time.

[sirs]

Yes.....they wanted to separate,  as in SECEDE,  as in LEAVE THE UNION & GOVERN THEMSELVES,  as in THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE EXISTING GOVERNMENT TO REPLACE IT WITH ONE OF THEIR MAKING