think about it

[Christians4LessGvt]

[sirs]

Yep......the very definition of why the 2nd Amendment was created

[Xavier_Onassis]

The difference is that this country is not ruled by Assad or threatened by Isis fanatics.

[sirs]

Yea....in many ways its worse, when our own Rule of Law and Constitution are ignored by those in charge

[Xavier_Onassis]

Of course, Isis and Assad might be overthrown eventually by people using assault rifles.

I doubt that the US government would be thus affected.

[sirs]

Which is precisely why the 2nd amendment is so integral to this country's freedoms, and diametrically opposed by those who would seek to dominate/oppress its citizenry

[Xavier_Onassis]

The most likely thing that would cause a US government to be forced to resign would occur when the military and/or police would refuse to fire on demonstrating citizens.
There is no way anyone could defeat the US government with any sort of weapon that is obtainable legally  by citizens.

The Second Amendment was thought at the time it was passed to enable citizens to overthrow an unjust government, but it was obviously false as proven by the results of the Whiskey Rebellion.

The Missouri Legislature voted to secede from the Union at the start of the Civil War, but despite local militias, the Union Army easily quashed the rebellious secessionists, and Missouri remained a Union state.

So you can rant all you want about this, but history has proven you wrong, and with the weapons that the government has now, it is even more wrong.
Non lethal heat and sound weapons and gas that puts people to sleep are but three of the weapons that the government has that would quell rebellions quite easily.
 

[sirs]

No one, not even Texas, is advocating, or even fantasizing about "retiring the Federal Government"  That'd be yet another deflection attempt. 

The 2nd amendment wasn't put in place to overthrow but to protect itself from an unjust government.  A subtle but distinct difference.  Under the current limitatiosn imposed on the citizenry, we sould not be able to stop a dictorial coup by the Fed, but we'd make it so bloody, they'd think twice

....as in its not about overthrowing anyone, oh master of deflection

[Xavier_Onassis]

Give me a break.

You know, you are so full of horseshit I do not understand how you manage to dress yourself.

The government will "think twice" what the Hell does that mean?

There are idiot Texans rattling on all the time about secession. The state legislature has done nothing other than some shit about Project Jade Dildo or whatever that was,

The fact is that you and all your guns are no threat to any government. About all you could do is threaten the postman and that would not end well.

[sirs]

You've been given far more than you fair share of breaks.  What you fail to understand, or more so attempt to ignore, is how often you're caught trying to argue a point no one is making....in this case, that the 2nd amendment is all about overthrow.  That has never been a realistic premice to the 2nd, only fodder for hard core leftiests to try and claim that's the issue, and thus demonstrated how flawed that tact is.

Seccession is not overthrow. 

"Thinking twice" is the point that because the citizenry is armed, it won't be a nice simple rollover, if ever the notion came into an oppressive minded Government intent on "improving security"

So, one more time, the 2nd amendment isn't about overthrow Professor Wrong.  That would only occur if the oppression effort was so over the top, the military would turn.  But the left has learned that slow & methodical is the way to go....suppression of this here, regulation of that there, restriction of just this, and limitation of just that.  All those little efforts, while the lunatic left cooks the frog in the slow-to-boil pot

[Xavier_Onassis]

Secession is indeed overthrow. The first step is to separate the location from the national government, the next step is to create a replacement government.

And from Thomas Jefferson himself:

We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted." - Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787[2]
Footnotes

[Christians4LessGvt]

Ha Ha....XO's myopic views are sometimes hilarious.

Are you unaware that many powerful seemingly unbeatable
armies have been easily overcome when the people set their mind to it?

The people with protests and weapons are a 1-2 punch against despotic regimes.
It's happened many, many, many times.
See Syria....first protests...then weapons.
See Libya...first protests...then weapons.
It doesn't always happen that way....but does.

A better equipped, feared military can be overcome by the people.

Again...ask the Shah, ask Assad, ask Mubarak, ask Qaddafi, ask 1000 others throughout history.

Of course this is not something that happens everyday,
so you pretending..because overthrowing the gvt in power has not happened here..it never will..is pretty ridiculous.

It will eventually happen here...and they know it is coming.....thus Jade Helm.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yeah right, Jade Helm is how Obama is taking over the country by force.

But "Christians" will not allow this to happen. No siree.
Watch out for the Black Helicopters.

Notice how quickly the elected government of Egypt was recently overthrown by the military and its leaders sentenced to death.


There were over 20 attempts to overthrow General Stroessner in Paraguay.  Pinochet was widely despised and it took elections and serious help from abroad to get rid of him.  How many years did Sukarno rule? and after him Suharto?  Rule lasted a lifetime for Mao and Chou, Papa Doc and Mobutu. Like Mobutu, Mubarak and the Shah were deathly ill and everyone knew it.
The US did its worst to get rid of Saddam using Iraqi people. Fidel passed his rule on to Raul and so it goes. 
weapons  are not hard to come by if the sentiments of the people are there: they do what Fidel did to overthrow Batista: they take them away from the dictator's troops.

Overthrow with armed citizens was EXACTLY what Jefferson was talking about, You should read it now, since you obviously did not read it before. The Germans, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Spanish, the Portuguese all know about brutal military rule, and yet they do not permit any doofus to buy all the guns he wants.

Jefferson was perhaps right when he said what he said. But all the NRA members in the country could never overthrow the US government.

You sound like those idiots that say that "The Civil War was not about slavery".

Just more rightwing bullshit.
Bask in your ignorance.

[sirs]

Secession is indeed overthrow.

NO, ITS NOT.  Overthrow is supplanting the existing government, with a new one.  Seccession is simply leaving the existing Government to form a new one.  But the existing one remains to run everyone else that didn't seceed   

Anything else you wish to get wrong in this thread?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Stop and consider that the Unionists called the secessionists "rebels"

Look up the word "rebels"  The confederates did not say they were not rebels: indeed they were rather proud of it.

Jefferson stated that every generation might need its own revolution. That is pretty much what the local militias were about. Except in the South where they also caught and returned slaves.