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Whites Just Don't Get It.
« on: August 01, 2015, 01:20:42 PM »
MANY white Americans say they are fed up with the coverage of the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. A plurality of whites in a recent Pew survey said that the issue of race is getting more attention than it deserves.

Bill O’Reilly of Fox News reflected that weariness, saying: “All you hear is grievance, grievance, grievance, money, money, money.”

Indeed, a 2011 study by scholars at Harvard and Tufts found that whites, on average, believed that anti-white racism was a bigger problem than anti-black racism.

Yes, you read that right!

So let me push back at what I see as smug white delusion. Here are a few reasons race relations deserve more attention, not less:
Nicholas Kristof
• The net worth of the average black household in the United States is $6,314, compared with $110,500 for the average white household, according to 2011 census data. The gap has worsened in the last decade, and the United States now has a greater wealth gap by race than South Africa did during apartheid. (Whites in America on average own almost 18 times as much as blacks; in South Africa in 1970, the ratio was about 15 times.)

• The black-white income gap is roughly 40 percent greater today than it was in 1967.

• A black boy born today in the United States has a life expectancy five years shorter than that of a white boy.

• Black students are significantly less likely to attend schools offering advanced math and science courses than white students. They are three times as likely to be suspended and expelled, setting them up for educational failure.

• Because of the catastrophic experiment in mass incarceration, black men in their 20s without a high school diploma are more likely to be incarcerated today than employed, according to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research. Nearly 70 percent of middle-aged black men who never graduated from high school have been imprisoned.

All these constitute not a black problem or a white problem, but an American problem. When so much talent is underemployed and overincarcerated, the entire country suffers.

Some straight people have gradually changed their attitudes toward gays after realizing that their friends — or children — were gay. Researchers have found that male judges are more sympathetic to women’s rights when they have daughters. Yet because of the de facto segregation of America, whites are unlikely to have many black friends: A study from the Public Religion Research Institute suggests that in a network of 100 friends, a white person, on average, has one black friend.

That’s unfortunate, because friends open our eyes. I was shaken after a well-known black woman told me about looking out her front window and seeing that police officers had her teenage son down on the ground after he had stepped out of their upscale house because they thought he was a prowler. “Thank God he didn’t run,” she said.

One black friend tells me that he freaked out when his white fiancée purchased an item in a store and promptly threw the receipt away. “What are you doing?” he protested to her. He is a highly successful and well-educated professional but would never dream of tossing a receipt for fear of being accused of shoplifting.


Some readers will protest that the stereotype is rooted in reality: Young black men are disproportionately likely to be criminals.

That’s true — and complicated. “There’s nothing more painful to me,” the Rev. Jesse Jackson once said, “than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery — then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

All this should be part of the national conversation on race, as well, and prompt a drive to help young black men end up in jobs and stable families rather than in crime or jail. We have policies with a robust record of creating opportunity: home visitation programs like Nurse-Family Partnership; early education initiatives like Educare and Head Start; programs for troubled adolescents like Youth Villages; anti-gang and anti-crime initiatives like Becoming a Man; efforts to prevent teen pregnancies like the Carrera curriculum; job training like Career Academies; and job incentives like the earned-income tax credit.

The best escalator to opportunity may be education, but that escalator is broken for black boys growing up in neighborhoods with broken schools. We fail those boys before they fail us.

So a starting point is for those of us in white America to wipe away any self-satisfaction about racial progress. Yes, the progress is real, but so are the challenges. The gaps demand a wrenching, soul-searching excavation of our national soul, and the first step is to acknowledge that the central race challenge in America today is not the suffering of whites.

Nicholas Kristof, NYT
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Re: Whites Just Don't Get It.
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 06:39:35 PM »
   This does need to be talked about , but where do you get unslanted facts?

   One may as well accept the slanted facts from all quarters and apply either logic , or a correction factor supplied by intuition.

     Then we are back to comparing opinions.

     If the standard of living and the state of education for Black people has fallen in the last forty years , then the great society programs and school desegregation have worked in reverse of their intent.

      I have black friends , the kind you make at work, good guys mostly who are polite to me and I try to be polite to them, this does not mean that I learn their inmost thoughts this is another sort of friend and I will never have a great number of those of any description.

       Comes Sunday and we all go to church, we are much more segregated than during work , shopping or living as neighbors, I would that this got fixed more than anything else , I suppose Jesus is disappointed.

          I don't like the implication that white people are wealthy because of the history alone, this is a half truth. Only a few of us get such a head start that a comfortable income is assured, and there is nothing about being white that keeps one out of welfare lines. Most of what most of us have is earned , and most of that is recent.

      Now, why would the steady improvement in materiel wealth that our black population was working on stop and reverse since about forty years ago?  There is a half truth in that idea that Black wealth is small but the wrong half is the truth.

       I have had a Black Man tell me this story, that he was in line to be hired by the Civil Service , and he entered the room full of candidates, and noticed that for this position he was the only black applicant . He felt assured of getting the job and yes , he did. But this same guy is also loaded with talent for finding talent in other people and encouraging them to use their talents on the job, he is a supervisor who runs his team like some sort of a coach rather than the standard A****** methods that many of our supervisors think is the proper method. This guy would be a success in this job whether he got it easy or not , even if he were white he would be good .  When he was my supervisor it was a good experience.  So should I resent that on one occasion he got the benefit of affirmative action?  I don't think that the affirmative action he got made all that much difference , if he hadn't gotten the early start his talents would have lead him just as far anyway , only a few supervisors really have the talent for it as he does.  People who really unfairly benefit from affirmative action soon just demonstrate the Peter Principal .

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Re: Whites Just Don't Get It.
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 10:12:44 PM »
There is no lack of facts.  The Great Society programs happened when the rural South was mechanizing, and agricultural jobs were disappearing. I recall that the shanties along the highway in Mississippi, Georgia and Alabama in 1960 did not even have electricity. I doubt they had running water, either.
The Great Society programs helped, but they were curtailed abruptly and were never adequate. 



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Re: Whites Just Don't Get It.
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2015, 11:06:03 PM »
An Open Letter to Cuckservatives

Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, July 30, 2015

You aren?t just betraying your principles.
Dear Cuckservative,

You are not alone. Like you, Erick Erickson at RedState.com, Matt Lewis at the Daily Caller, Taylor Millard at Hot Air, the blogger Ace of Spades, and Jim Harper with the Cato Institute are all squirming under the lash of this new coinage. They are squirming because a single word?cuckservative?lays bare the rot at the heart of your movement: American conservatism can conserve nothing if it cannot conserve the nation?s founding stock. I?ll put it bluntly: Nothing you love will survive without white people.

Do you stand for limited government and a balanced budget? Count your black and Hispanic allies. Do you admire Thomas Jefferson? He was a slave-holder who will end up on the dung heap with the Confederate flag. Do you care about stable families and the rights of the unborn? Look up illegitimacy, divorce, and abortion rates for blacks and Hispanics. Do you cherish the stillness at dawn in Bryce Canyon? When the park service manages to get blacks and Hispanics to go camping they play boom-boxes until 1:00 a.m. Was Ronald Reagan your hero? He would not win a majority of today?s electorate.

Do you love Tchaikovsky? Count the non-whites in the concert hall. Do you yearn for neighborhoods where you can leave the keys in your car? There still are some; just don?t expect them to be ?diverse.? Are hunting and firearms part of your heritage? Explain that to Barack Obama or Sonia Sotomayor. Are you a devout Christian? Muslim immigrants despise you and your faith. Do you support Israel? Mexicans, Haitians, Chinese, and Guatemalans don?t.

Your great festival?CPAC?is as white as a meeting of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. That?s because blacks and Hispanics and even Asians don?t share your dreams. You?ve heard the old joke: ?What do you call the only black person at a conservative meeting? The keynote speaker.? Outreach doesn?t work. You can?t talk someone into loving what you love. Faith, patriotism, duty, and honor come from deeply cultural, religious, and ancestral sources you can?t reach.

Why do you evoke Martin Luther King when you call for a ?colorblind? America? You know he wanted quotas for blacks. You evoke King because you think he?ll help you silence blacks and liberals. But it doesn?t work, does it? That?s because only whites?and Asians, when it suits them?even think in terms of ?colorblindness.? Blacks and Hispanics will squeeze every unfair advantage out of you they can. At what point will they ever abandon their aggressive racial agenda? When they?re the majority just think how hard they?ll squeeze your grandchildren.

You tell yourself that the things you love about America?and I love them, too?are rooted in certain principles. That is your greatest mistake. They are rooted in certain people. That is why Germans, Swedes, Irishmen, and Hungarians could come and contribute to the America you love. Do you really believe that a future Afro-Hispanic-Caribbean-Asiatic America will be anything like the America your ancestors built?

Let?s consider your principles. Do you dream of a traditional, religious, free-market society with small government, low taxes, and no gun control, where same-sex marriage is illegal, and abortion, divorce, prostitution, and illegitimacy are scorned? There are such places: the tribal areas of Pakistan and Somalia.

And what about countries that violate your principles?with high taxes, huge government, clogged markets, a weak church, strict gun control, and sexual license of all kinds? There?s Scandinavia. And yet if you had to leave the United States you?d much rather live in Denmark than in Waziristan.

Do you see the pattern? Even when they violate your principles, white people build good societies. Even when they abide by your principles, non-whites usually don?t.

We see that in America. Can you think of a majority non-white neighborhood you?d like to live in, or a majority non-white school you?d like your children to attend? No, you can?t. Why, then, don?t you fight with all your strength against the forces of immigration and integration that are turning ever-greater parts of your county into Third-World wastelands?

I know it would be frightening for you to step outside the ever narrower confines of what we are permitted to say about race. You would court the disapproval of every institution in America. You would pay a heavy price. Not since the last Red Scare has the price of speaking out been so high. In the 1950s, it was dangerous to spout Marxist foolishness. Today, the most dangerous ideas are the historical, biological, and moral truths that men such as Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Mark Twain, Walt Whitman, and your grandparents took for granted.

Muster up the courage. Speak these truths. They are your heritage. They are your destiny. They are in your bones. And when you speak these truths, you will join the people who see the only future for America in which the things you love are even conceivable. When you speak these truths you will join the camp of the saints.

And until you speak these truths you will feel the sting of the word ?cuckservative.? You will feel its sting because you are not just betraying the heritage and promise of America. You are not just betraying your principles and dreams?even though you think you are working for them. You are betraying your people.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/an-open-letter-to-cuckservatives/
I speak of civil, social man under law, and no other.
-Sir Edmund Burke

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Re: Whites Just Don't Get It.
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2015, 10:23:47 AM »
I?ll put it bluntly: Nothing you love will survive without white people.
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Nothing?   

Now I will put it bluntly. This is a clearly racist statement.

When anyone says NOTHING or EVERYTHING, they are simply wrong. If I love tacos, then somehow they will become extinct.
If I love listening to Etta James, her recordings will vanish.  If I love playing mah jongg, eating curry, listening to raga music, living in an adobe house, too bad, it will all be gone. I must love only White women, eat only White food, live in segregated White neighborhoods, and perhaps even my Mercedes and BMW are out, because there were Turks on the assembly line.  The Mini was designed by a Turk, by the way.

Really, this is a very, very stupid statement.

What does the writer propose to make the US the country of his dreams?  Expulsion of non-Whites?  Extermination camps?  Splitting the country in two and segregating it into two racial countries?

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Re: Whites Just Don't Get It.
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2015, 11:26:06 AM »
  I don't agree .

  I don't worry so much that we will not be pale enough to survive as a nation, as that we might loose enthusiasm for being a nation and fall apart.

    I have met Black Air force pilots and Black Marine grunts , perfectly as good as white ones and of course quite committed to the Nationhood of the USA , sworn to defend the constitution and everything.

    If we depended on the tribalism of whiteness to win the west (and the east a generation earlier) and we still depended on this to hold together this essay might be true.

    But there was no unity of whiteness in the Europe we left , the tribes were much smaller , when confronted by the wilderness we quickly overcame prejudices between the older European divisions. I can imagine Americans overcoming all the rest of these "racial" divisions.

     This guy might be right that the USA requires a unifying principal, he might even be right that whiteness used to serve this principal, but he is wrong to think it the only possible unifying principal , or even a good one.

     It is way too late to save this nation on the basis of its whiteness, white is just about to loose its place as the default race of the USA perhaps we can carry on as that set of people who love liberty?

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Re: Whites Just Don't Get It.
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2015, 11:37:57 AM »
 It is way too late to save this nation on the basis of its whiteness, white is just about to loose its place as the default race of the USA perhaps we can carry on as that set of people who love liberty?

It has ALWAYS been to late to "save this nation on the basis of its whiteness". Norway, Iceland, not so much.

We are not losing this nation. That is a false premise. 

What we are losing, we are losing because of economics and social class, not race. Some in the Oligarchy appear to have us headed in the direction of a nation of a multitude of have nots, struggling for the crumbs of an isolated ruling class behind security fences in gated communities. Three classes: those who own the robots and profit by their labor, a few who build and maintain the robots, and a huge number who wait for the maintenance class to die off so they can get their jobs, or perhaps to win the lottery oir to invent something the Oligarchy wants.

This would not be a consumer society, nor a fair one. But the ruling class does not care about the distant future, just the immediate future.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."