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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2015, 02:07:31 PM »
You are the one that started this, by saying "Hillary should drop out of the race"

Now you say that she won't and that it would be logical for her NOT to drop out.

You make no sense by posting this, then.

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Basically you are saying "No, I did not post this dumb shit, because it was rhetorical dumb shit when I posted it."
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2015, 04:43:38 PM »
You are the one that started this, by saying "Hillary should drop out of the race"

Show us Professor wrong-as-usual.....show us the quote where I made that claim. 
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2015, 04:49:01 PM »


Hillary's Private Emails: The Vise Slowly Tightens

By Charles Lipson - August 13, 2015

The political class is seriously underestimating the impact of Hillary Clinton's email controversy. They see it mainly as a problem of public opinion and electoral politics, where it has been increasingly costly but not yet fatal. The political damage, the drip, drip, drip of revelations has been bad, but there is worse to come.

Hillary Clinton's big problem now is legal, and it could well be insurmountable politically. Here's why. Once a "political" issue finally moves into the legal system, as the Clinton email server has, it moves forward with an independent logic. That logic will slowly ensnare Secretary Clinton.

You can already see it happening. Two weeks ago, the Department of Justice acknowledged that it "has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information." The referral was not criminal, and the Clinton camp immediately pummeled the New York Times sloppy reporting that it was. But that's small ball and misleading at that. The DOJ is not investigating a civil matter here. It is investigating a crime. As that investigation moves forward, it will take on a life of its own, as it should in a government of laws.

Even if the Department of Justice is highly politicized, and it is, there is a powerful legal procedure here that will be hard to kill off. It began when the intelligence community's inspector general, I. Charles McCullough III, and his counterpart at the State Department, Steve Linick, made a referral to DOJ, saying that classified materials may have been compromised. McCullough also wrote Congress that a spot check of 40 Clinton emails showed that "four contained classified [intelligence community] information." That meant classified materials were being held in an unauthorized, insecure site, the Clinton server. In fact, the materials were also being held in a second unauthorized site. Clinton had given the materials to her attorney, David Kendall, on thumb-drives for his safekeeping. Since the communications are, by her own admission, official business and possibly classified, she may not have been authorized to transfer them, nor he to receive them.

The FBI has clear legal responsibilities when it is presented with such a referral. It must investigate and secure the materials. Fortunately, the FBI is run by a director with a reputation for independence and integrity. James Comey's agency has now gotten the server and thumb-drives, the ones Clinton said she would never give up. She had no choice but to surrender them or face obstruction-of-justice charges.

The legal and bureaucratic wheels will keep turning, and they will grind exceedingly fine. Since classified information was on the server, the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, and other intelligence services will be tasked with going through thousands of documents. They will want to know where the information originated, whether it was classified (either when it was received or later), and whether senior officials like Secretary Clinton and her top aides should have known the material was sensitive or subject to classification, even if it was not marked that way at the time. The intelligence agencies are already livid about this breach of security, and they will go through this material carefully. My guess is they will find hundreds of documents that should never have left a secure government location.

They will want to know several more things. Did the Clinton server meet the federal government's standards for how servers are built, how they are secured, and how data is retained? Was all sensitive material encrypted or did it circulate without those protections? Did anybody hack into the server? Did Secretary Clinton, who says she erased all "personal" emails from the server, actually erase some government documents? If so, was that inadvertent or a possible coverup? Who handled IT security for this server? Could he read the materials if he wished? These are legal questions with huge political ramifications.

I assume the Department of Justice will be lethargic. Under Eric Holder, the Obama Justice Department was the most politicized since John Mitchell cleaned the Augean Stables for Richard Nixon. The department is still packed with political appointees, but Holder?s successor, Loretta Lynch, has a good reputation from her days as a prosecutor. She may well play this straight. If so, then she would start with the IT guy and Clinton's assistants and try to roll them up, as you would in a normal criminal probe. My guess is she will do that only if she gets a wink and a nod from a White House ready to sink Hillary.

Politicized or not, the DOJ will be increasingly boxed in by the FBI and intelligence community investigations. Normally, when the intelligence community finds classified materials in unauthorized locations, it seeks felony prosecutions. Gen. David Petraeus was sunk for keeping his own personal calendars in an unlocked drawer at home. The calendars were deemed classified, even if they lacked an official stamp. President Clinton?s CIA Director, John Deutsch, lost his job and security clearance for using his portable computer at home. It had classified material on it. Those violations are trifling compared to Hillary Clinton's exposure.

If the FBI officially determines classified material was being held on the server, or foreign intelligence agencies hacked into it, or official materials were erased and not turned over to the courts, as Clinton stated under oath she had, then Director Comey will face the hardest decision of his professional life. If he recommends prosecution and the DOJ refuses, you can be sure an infuriated intelligence community will leak the news. That would be fatal to Clinton politically since it would smell like a cover-up. It is possible, of course, that the investigations will give Secretary Clinton a clean bill of health. But it is far more likely that they will bring legal peril, and, with it, political disaster.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/13/hillarys_private_emails_the_vice_slowly_tightens_127758.html
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2015, 06:28:10 PM »
Show you where?

IT IS THE TITLE OF YOUR FUCKING POST!!!!!
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2015, 06:48:22 PM »
Speaking of morons, you do grasp who I am vs who initiated the thread,  right??
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2015, 10:09:42 AM »
Gotta love this quote, too:

You are the one that started this, by saying "Hillary should drop out of the race"

Now you say that she won't and that it would be logical for her NOT to drop out.

You make no sense by posting this, then
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2015, 02:15:34 PM »
Here's the problem your gal has......now that the FBI is in possession of her server, they'll be able to identify when the "top SECRET clearance"  was either applied or removed, from those e-mails, that have been determined to have been classified, despite her declaration she had nothing classified in her system. 
- If it was removed AFTER she received it, then she has committed a crime, since she's on record as declaring she neither received nor sent any such classified information, much less top secret stuff. 
- If it was removed before she received it, where the IG has now determined that it was indeed top secret classified stuff she had, then someone on her staff has committed 2 felonies, where by they both tampered with top secret classified information, AND placed said top secret information on an unsecured private server...hers

You better pray they don't find out who that person was, because you can bet they're not going to take the full felony fall, without naming names
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This was exactly what I was referring to earlier  :) 

Two independent Inspectors General concluded when they referred this case to the DOJ for investigation: The material "was classified when they were sent, and are classified now," they wrote.  Two of the handful of emails reviewed by the IGs contained top secret information, which would clearly have been classified at the time.  And if classified markings were indeed stripped off of the emails prior to sending them into Hillary's unsecure private server -- since wiped clean, after more than 30,000 emails were unilaterally deleted by her team -- it stands to reason that it would have been someone at the top of her organization making those calls
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2015, 09:08:38 PM »
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2015, 10:12:10 PM »
She is not going to drop out, and has no reason to do so at this point.

If she does, then Elizabeth Warren would easily trounce any of the Republican'ts.



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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2015, 10:39:27 AM »
She is not going to drop out, and has no reason to do so at this point.

Yep.....far too much money has been spent buying her, for her to be allowed to drop out now


If she does, then Elizabeth Warren would easily trounce any of the Republican'ts.

LOL....eating those "special cookies" again, I see
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2015, 02:16:08 PM »
The last candidate to drop out of a national presidential election was Tom Eagleton, who apparently failed to tell George McGovern about some therapy he had for depression. He was replaced by Sargent Shriver.

I do not see the e mail flap or this ridiculous "Bill Clinton might have rode on an airplane with a suspicious woman" flap to be taken seriously by most voters. But it it did become a major obstacle, then I imagine Hillary mighrt drop out and be replaced by Elizabeth Warren, who is a very honest woman with far less baggage.

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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2015, 02:39:25 PM »
What you "fail to see" is the overt laws that have been broken, and the ongoing lies in trying to cover it up.  At this point, Clinton is getting closer to moving into the "Big House" vs the White House

And I'm pretty sure yout can't really apply the term "honest" to Warren's claims of Indian ancestry, in some apparent transparent effort to puff up her resume.  But that's for another thread, for those who want to fantasize about Warren jumping in
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2015, 10:24:56 PM »
    Hillary should drop out of the race if she thinks it is more important to have a Democrat President than to have a Hillary Clinton President.

      What we already know about Hillary and her e-mail account would cause severe discipline to fall upon any of her own subordinates , including me, I know these rules because I must obey them.

      If we later learn that there were leaks due to careless handling this will be even worse, but even without this it is already careless handling and due cause for disciplinary action.

    Bill Clinton got forgiven for every sort of outrageous infraction , his voters acted more like a fan club than citizens interested in good government.

     Perhaps Hillary is depending on having her audience just as charmed.

     When rules are broken , just tell the people that it is old stuff you are tired of talking about , it is totally clintonian.

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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2015, 12:38:27 AM »
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2015, 03:37:18 AM »
You know what's funny now.....pay attention to both the media and the Clinton camp as they imply that any ongoing investigation, isn't one of Clinton, but of the server.  As if the server became self aware, and simply initiated all these acts, on its own.  Who knew that it'd be the Clintons that founded Skynet 
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