Flowchart: should I vaccinate my child?

[Xavier_Onassis]

http://gizmodo.com/a-simple-flowchart-to-help-you-decide-if-you-should-vac-1682742133

[Christians4LessGvt]

HPV vaccine is neither safe nor effective

AUGUST 14, 2015

It has also been assumed for seven years that the vaccine is safe. Yet there have been thousands of adverse event reports. The CDC itself admits there are three times as many adverse events for the HPV vaccine Gardasil as there are for all other vaccines combined.

Compared to all other vaccines in the U.S. schedule, Gardasil alone is associated with 61 percent of all serious adverse events, including 63.8 percent of all deaths and 81.2 percent of all permanent disabilities in females under 30 years of age.

In fact, Japan, India and France have removed HPV vaccines from their recommended list due to safety and efficacy concerns. Unethical practices and serious post HPV vaccination injuries and deaths prompted the Supreme Court of India to initiate an ongoing investigation of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

The Health, Welfare and Labor Ministry of Japan also conducted a national investigation regarding post HPV vaccine injuries in its country. The outcome was the removal of funding and recommendations regarding HPV vaccines. Japanese officials concluded that the harm experienced by women taking the vaccine is overwhelmingly greater than any expected benefits.

Prompted by medical reports of post-HPV vaccination arrhythmia and motor neuron disabilities in children in Denmark, the European Medicines Agency is conducting an investigation of HPV injection adverse events. Lawsuits for HPV injuries and deaths have also been filed in Spain, France and Columbia.

Some studies have linked serious HPV vaccine adverse events to the aluminum adjuvant, which is a known neurotoxin. Yet the latest version of HPV vaccine, Gardasil 9, contains double the amount of aluminum adjuvant than its predecessor.

We already have proven, safe and effective ways to prevent cervical cancer with pap screening, which carries no serious health risk. So the doctors who do not recommend HPV vaccination are the ones who have done their research. The public should be grateful to those who have taken their oath seriously.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-vaccine-letter-20150812-story.html

[sirs]

Simple concept here.....
- Parents should have the right not to have their children vaccinated
and
- Schools should have the right not to accept any child who has not been vaccinated

[Christians4LessGvt]

exactly SIRS.....Let Freedom Ring!

[Xavier_Onassis]

Let Freedom ring, let the children die.
After all, they are no longer fetuses.

Gardasil is not the only vaccine available, anyway.

My daughter was vaccinated, no ill results, and none of those childhood diseases, either.

[sirs]

LOL...you have absolutely no standing to try and defend a child's right to life, with your perverted efforts at trying to dehumanize & kill, yes KILL, a child who simply hasn't been born yet

[Christians4LessGvt]

My nieces children didn't die...in fact one of them (home schooled) is in college at 16 years old.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have every right to say any damned thing I wish, sirs.

Vaccines have saved millions of lives and there is ZERO proof that they cause autism. 

whooping cough, rubella, mumps, measles, chicken pox, smallpox and the rest of the diseases vaccines prevent used to kill, sicken and disable thousands of children every year.

[sirs]

I have every right to say any damned thing I wish, sirs.

Never claimed you didn't Dr Deflection.  Merely that you have no credible standing trying to defend the right of a child to live, when you routinely condemn unborn children to be butchered

Vaccines have saved millions of lives and there is ZERO proof that they cause autism.

Vaccines (IN GENERAL) have caused serious side effects.  One of the more serious that is believed to be tracked to vaccines is Guillain-Barre' Syndrome.  Point being, that in some cases, things can happen, including death, following a vaccine.  They're rare, but do happen. 

Point being, that a parent should have the right not to want to have their child vaccinated.  And any school that the child would have attended has the right not to accept that student.  Simple as that

[Plane]

  Some diseases are so severely dangerous and debilitating that the side effects of vaccines become a minor concern.

     I recently heard good news on the research for a Malaria vaccine and there is great news on the vaccine for Ebola front.

    Malaria is one of the greatest killers of human beings of all time , getting rid of Malaria might turn some marginal third world countries into first world tourist destinations.
     If I knew that my chances for contracting Ebola were better than even , I would take a vaccine that made me turn blue and red polka dotted .

     I would tell any friend that most vaccines are tiny risks and prevent serious pain that is not at all unlikely.

      But why would I want to use force on them?

  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/world-malaria-vaccination-approved-150724055510421.html

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1502924

[sirs]

Exactly my point.  I strongly support parents vaccinating their children,  when you weigh the pros vs the cons.  It should still be up to the parents and not forced by Government.   And any parents that chose not to,  lose their right to have their child accepted into public school

[hnumpah]

I support the right of the parent(s) to make the choice on abortion. I also support their right to make their own decisions regarding vaccinations.

To support one, and not the other, regardless of which is which, makes no sense to me. If X cannot credibly support abortion and then argue against a parent's right to make a choice regarding vaccination, how can Sirs keep his credibility arguing the exact opposite? So before we go throwing that argument around, let's remember it can cut both ways.

[Xavier_Onassis]

One  thought comes to mind: if the smallpox vaccination had not been mandatory, it is unlikely that 100% of the people necessary to make this horrible disease extinct, and we would still have smallpox with us now and forever. Being as some people are superstitious, distrustful, irrational, stupid or simply crazy, 100% of the population will never agree on anything.

I cannot see individual freedom is more important than the the extermination of smallpox (or any other disease like it) forever.
This is the old Star Trek debate from the Wrath of Lhan, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", says Spock. "Or the one," adds Kirk.

I cannot imagine that a 100% compliance of every parent in vaccinating their children is possible. Yet, somehow, it was possible to get a large enough compliance to exterminate smallpox. It seems inconceivable to me that at least some people were compelled to get vaccinated against smallpox by force, and we are all better off because of it.

There will be a very few people that will suffer some ill effects from a vaccination. But I think that it is sufficiently proven that vaccinations now being given to children do not cause autism, as that ex-Playboy Playmate turned celebrity has claimed.

It is all about the odds with vaccines, just as lottery tickets and slot machines. People who cannot comprehend the vast difference between the odds of different events will continue to lose fortunes to casinos and lotteries and their children will unnecessarily be stricken by one or more of the childhood diseases that can be fatal.

With regard to abortion, I am neither for not against it. I simply think that the mother has the greatest stake in whether the child is born or not, and therefore she should make the decision without being compelled by some government.  Rich women will always find a way to have a safe abortion on demand, so this only gives the same choice to the poor.

I think there is a good case for outlawing casinos and commercial large stake gambling. But I would not outlaw poker games among individuals or professional gamblers. 
I doubt that Doc Holliday types would wreck many lives, but Bally. Trump and MGM have almost certainly ruined thousands. It is pragmatically impossible to prevent professional gamblers, but preventing huge casinos is clearly possible. Ecuador voted to abolish casinos in 2008, I think.

I don't think that abolishing casinos would be possible in the US, but we would be better off without them.



 

[Plane]

I support the right of the parent(s) to make the choice on abortion. I also support their right to make their own decisions regarding vaccinations.

To support one, and not the other, regardless of which is which, makes no sense to me. If X cannot credibly support abortion and then argue against a parent's right to make a choice regarding vaccination, how can Sirs keep his credibility arguing the exact opposite? So before we go throwing that argument around, let's remember it can cut both ways.

   That depends on what you think the difference is.

     The decision to run a risk with ones self or ones children might be reasonable or unreasonable or marginal, I would give the benefit of the doubt to the individual and the heads of families rather than defaulting to the government , so on the spectrum only those things that are nearly certain to cause serious harm should be a decision made by the government risks that are marginal or reasonable remain the province of the parent or the individual.
     Someone that prefers natural , traditional , holistic or even homeopathic medicine to our western medicine might be increasing the risk , but certainly not making death a certainty.

     Abortion is pretty certain to kill the child , and when it doesn't sometimes the child is placed on bare metal to chill and finish dying. This is not a choice between better and worse means of treatment , it is a straight decision to kill.

      There is a lot of difference in disagreeing on what is a reasonable risk , and sure as shooting killing.
 

[hnumpah]

     The decision to run a risk with ones self or ones children might be reasonable or unreasonable or marginal, I would give the benefit of the doubt to the individual and the heads of families rather than defaulting to the government , so on the spectrum only those things that are nearly certain to cause serious harm should be a decision made by the government risks that are marginal or reasonable remain the province of the parent or the individual.

So, by that logic, let's stop making infant and child car seats mandatory. I'd bet way more are bought and used to avoid tickets than are ever actually needed in an automobile accident. Parents shouldn't be charged for neglect or endangerment for leaving candy colored laundry detergents in child's reach, or medications, drugs, alcohol or rat poison, or hey, even leavng guns and ammo laying about. Why is it you want only fetuses to live, but have no concern for them after birth? Enquiring minds would like to know.