14th. "....and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

[sirs]

You can throw rationalization after rationalization after rationalization, all you want.  The wording of the 14th is clear.  The Wong case was consistent with that wording, since the parents were LEGAL foreigners, and completely subject to the jurisidction of this country's mandates for LEGAL foreigners.  What's being done in its present format is granting citizenship to children of illegal foreigners, who have no standing or obligations to this country, as in they are not subject to our jurisdiction, outside of whatever laws they may have broken......which incidentally, crossing here illegally was their 1st criminal offense 

That's why SCOTUS needs a case to rule on, in order to put this no-where-near-settled issue to rest

[Xavier_Onassis]

Nowhere in the Wong decision is the nationality of Wong's parents mentioned. He was ruled to be a citizen because and ONLY because he was born in the USA.

The Court does not have to rule on this: they could refuse to hear it and thereby let the current situation continue: anyone born here is a citizen. Millions of people have been born here to non-citizen parents, and millions more to their children.

This is just a bit of crap that the Fox Snooze  Hannity like to drone on about.

[sirs]

One more time....WE HAD NO IMMIGRATION POLICY AT THE TIME OF THE 14TH.  And the Wongs were within the full jurisdiction of this Government since......wait for it......WERE LEGAL TO HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY.  The fact that nationality wasn't brought up was irrelevent, since they were legal to be here, in the 1st place.  He was ruled to be a citizen, since the case fulfilled all attributes of the 14th amendment

The Court absolutely needs to put this to rest, or the 14th will continue to be abused by folks like yourself.  Yes, it is possible they could decline to hear any such case and let it ride....likely they won't however

[Plane]

   I could imagine a judge ruling that a mother had entered the US from foreign territories   by illegal means , but that her daughter came into the  US from territory and with means that no one wants to make illegal.

   Seriously though , how do the countries that do not recognize native birth as a claim to citizenship deal with the persons that are born with no papers  or flawed papers?

     I presume that these are still regarded as persons.

     

[sirs]

Persons?, yes......automatic citizens of their country, with all the built in rights, protections, and privileges?, not so much

[Plane]

  There is a little danger , in allowing a government to decide what sort of person it will respect.

   Government decisions are generally self serving to the government.

   Citizens respect should be irrefutable and hard to loose for most of the people that the government serves , lest the government disenfranchise all the inconvenient.

      Why do we make it so very hard to become a citizen by normal process?

      It should not be harder and more trouble than having a child.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Court absolutely needs to put this to rest, or the 14th will continue to be abused by folks like yourself.
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ABUSED BY ME?


Precisely HOW am I abusing anything?


I am an American-born, 14th generation American. I had at least one ancestor come over on the Mayflower. Others served as Minutemen in the Revolutionary War. My father was a geneologist, and I therefore know that the last immigrant ancestor that I have arrived here in 1831, from the town of Bacup in the West Riding of Yorkshire, and settled in Pennsylvania/ ]

First you claim that the Supreme Court does not have to do anything, that all Congress has to do is pass some chickenshit law. Now you beg for the Supremes  to intervene.

The ONLY WAY that birthright citizenship is going to be ended is by a constitutional amendment. It is as simple as that.

[sirs]

It's amazing this inability of a language professor to continually ignore context and try to pull out the literal card, when everyone else can see it as well. 

FOLKS LIKE YOURSELF, NOT YOU PERSONALLY NOR ONLY.  FOLKS LIKE YOURSELF WHO CONTINUALLY MUTATE THE CLEAR INTENT OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT. 

NOR HAVE I EVER ADVOCATED ABOLISHING THE 14TH AMENDMENT

NOR HAVE EVER CLAIMED THAT THE SUPREME COURT "DOES NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING".  I merely referenced 2 options, that YES, one of those is Congress passes a law, and if by chance that law isn't appealed up to the Supreme Court, then they will not have had to do anything.   NOR would that law be simply trying to abolish the 14th.  It would merely be clarifying the Federal statutes as it relates to 14th's application to ILLEGAL Immigrants

14th remains alive and well, bestowing automatic citizenship to any child born on U.S. soil, to any LEGAL immigrant

[Xavier_Onassis]

Anyone born here is born a citizen. The Courts all recognize this. Their parents' citizenship is now and always has been irrelevant.

Accusing me is lame. You are a real twit, sirs.

Not just a figurative twit, but an actual twit.

I am retired and have no job and post here for fun. You, presumably are always online and always posting this nonsense.

Does someone PAY you an actual salary for wasting your time here?

You should be massaging vertabrae or playing with carpal tunnels. What we are doing here does not deserve any payment.

[sirs]

It is now relevant, since the 14th's intent was never a foundation to immigration policy, and its wording was implicit to all those who are here legally, as in "subject to the jurisdiction thereof.  That's why either the fix is made via legislatively, or more likely judicially.  Simple as that

[Xavier_Onassis]

Seriously, how is it that you have nothing better to do than to spew your silly opinions in this obscure chatroom? Have you no real job?

I have a valid excuse: I worked from age 18 until 68 and am retired and bored.

I really should do something more constructive. But my fan is not portable and it is pretty hot here.

[sirs]

So much better if others would simply shut-up & tow the line of you superior minded folks, right?

If you're bored, you should take the time to educate yourself in matters of U.S. Politics, how Government functions, the Constitutional Seperation of powers, as well as the limitations of each branch, & capped off with U.S. History

[Xavier_Onassis]

I h=know far, far more than you ever will.  Most of what you know is untrue.

[sirs]

Your opinion has been weighed, measured, and found wanting

[Xavier_Onassis]

My opinion being found wanting by you is pretty much an affirmation of its total validity.

Your knowledge of history is bass-ackwards, your knowledge of the law an Constitution is warped, and you debating skills involve logical fallacies.