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Plane

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Shooting on a train
« on: August 21, 2015, 05:56:56 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/cebit/courageous-americans-stop-shooter-on-train/ar-BBlYrvf

Although three were injured , this is more a happy story than not.
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2015, 07:41:00 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/3-who-stopped-attack-were-boyhood-friends/ar-BBm0lBl


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  The three Americans who subdued a gunman aboard a train to Paris are friends from their middle-school days, and two of them serve in the armed forces.

  This month, they embarked on a tour of Europe with stops in Italy, Germany, the Netherlands, France and Spain. But their trip was interrupted on Friday when a gunman boarded the high-speed train headed from Amsterdam to Paris, prepared to wreak havoc.

Mr. Stone was the first to jump up and charge the gunman, followed closely by Mr. Skarlatos and Mr. Sadler, according to Ms. Sadler.

The three tackled the gunman and, with the help of a British businessman living in France, tied him up, she said.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2015, 08:51:37 PM »
I observe that there were no "good men with guns" required to stop this "bad man with a gun".
I find that rather refreshing. I commend the valiant unarmed heroes.
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2015, 11:16:09 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on August 22, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
I observe that there were no "good men with guns" required to stop this "bad man with a gun".
I find that rather refreshing. I commend the valiant unarmed heroes.

Certainly , this was in France where the gun laws are just as you might like them.

There are not any good men with guns , bad ones only.

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2015, 07:14:42 AM »
According to Wayne LaPierre there are good men with guns.

If there are only bad men with guns, then guns are what separate bad men with guns and unarmed bad men.

Unarmed bad men are less dangerous.
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2015, 02:55:49 PM »
Quote from: Plane on August 22, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on August 22, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
I observe that there were no "good men with guns" required to stop this "bad man with a gun".
I find that rather refreshing. I commend the valiant unarmed heroes.

Certainly , this was in France where the gun laws are just as you might like them.

There are not any good men with guns , bad ones only.

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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2015, 03:25:53 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on August 23, 2015, 07:14:42 AM
According to Wayne LaPierre there are good men with guns.

If there are only bad men with guns, then guns are what separate bad men with guns and unarmed bad men.

Unarmed bad men are less dangerous.

How do bad men avoid being dangerously armed?
Do these bad men obey the laws and regulations intended to make the good men unarmed?
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2015, 03:34:46 PM »
That would be a "no"
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2015, 07:36:46 PM »
If France did not restrict guns, this would surely happen much more often.
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2015, 07:58:43 PM »
How does that address Plane's point about bad men obeying the laws and regulations intended to make the good men unarmed?
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2015, 11:54:21 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on August 23, 2015, 07:36:46 PM
If France did not restrict guns, this would surely happen much more often.


   Why would it not happen much less often?

     Giving an ordinary person a firearm doesn't change him into something he isn't already.

       This guy was not a particularly capable terrorist , but he was able to arm himself .

          If the bad guys get guns in spite of the rules , and the good guys obey the rules , then the bad guys will be armed and the good guys not .

            I think this is a good description of this particular situation.

               Doesn't it also describe the more general situation?
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 12:50:26 AM »
Yep....pretty much spot on
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2015, 11:40:18 AM »
The point is not that one person was able to arm himself. The point is that the more difficult it 9iis to get guns, the fewer people will get then and the fewer people get shot.
Which is evidenced by the much, much MUCH smaller numbers of people who get shot in Western European countries like France.

The more guns are in circulation, the more people wiull get shot. You  cannot change this it is a FACT.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2015, 12:35:52 PM »
And yet in this country its a FACT that despite more guns in circulation, violent crime has been DECREASING

You cannot change this, it as a FACT
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Re: Shooting on a train
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 03:05:28 PM »
You are about 30 times more likely to be shot in France than in the US.

I do not believe that fewer people are being shot. It could be due to the aging of the population.

If all other things were equal, the fewer the guns, the fewer the people get shot.

YOu want to make us believe that somehow you gun nuts are making us safer, but that is just stupid. It is also not true.
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