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In the coming months, Republican lawmakers will be fighting tooth and nail against the agenda President Obama laid out during Tuesday's inaugural address: his call to action on equality, immigration reform, reducing gun violence, protecting social programs, addressing climate change and more.

And Republican Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan neatly explains why the upcoming fights might be a problem for the GOP:

    The public is not behind us, and that’s a real problem for our party.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2015, 06:09:55 PM »
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/23/1181367/-A-Republican-explains-what-s-wrong-with-the-Republican-party-in-just-14-words



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The public is not behind us, and that’s a real problem for our party.


It could be I suppose, were it true.

But President Obama has worn down his dependable voting block, and hardened his opposition , a process of polarization that has been tougher on his own than his critics.

For example , if everyone that benefits from "Obamacare" votes Democratic , and everyone who pays extra because of it votes Republican the Dems would never win another dogcatcher.

Americans are prone to vote for what they think is in their own best interest , and for what they think is in the best interest of the general welfare . This is the theory at least that leads one to think that the more Americans know and truly understand , the more they will choose well their leadership and support eagerly the best programs.

On the other hand there is the theory that Americans are hopelessly ignorant and are best led contrary to their wants by trickery.

The prevalence of that second theory in the Democratic party is one of the main reasons that I generally do not like them.


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.... gives me some perspective on the two key questions his statements have raised. Do Gruber’s comments about the “stupidity of the American voter” reflect the thinking that went into the Affordable Care Act? Do Gruber’s comments about lack of “transparency” and “contorted” policy construction validate long-held conservative beliefs that Obamacare is illegitimate—that its architects defied the conventions of politics and promoted the law based on false pretenses?
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120311/jonathan-gruber-and-obamacare-what-his-quotes-really-tell-us

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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2015, 09:03:15 PM »
The Republican Party favors mostly only the very wealthy, but they nod to the forced birthers and the immigrant haters, and all that is left of the Old South racists, of which there are still quite a few.

And the GOP is even trickier than the Democrats.  They use trickery to monger wars and to win elections.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2015, 11:12:23 PM »
  That is true , working for President Obama, raises have been scarce and minimal.

  I suppose that is because the Democrats are for the poor , so they will ensure their voters by having plenty of poor.

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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2015, 03:44:45 AM »
When you consider that "the Public" has NEVER supported Obamacare, while it has supported bans on partial birth abortion, a southern wall on our border, among a whole host of other things that left finds cringe-worthy, pulling out one Republican to highlight just why Trump is doing so well in the polls, doesn't quite accomplish what I think the professor was trying to convey

Not to mention the Democrats, by far, have more rich donors to their party, than the GOP.  The notion that the GOP is the party of the rich is such a grotesque mutation of what they really are for.....which is the notion that EVERYONE has the opportunity to succeed....if Government would simply stop getting in the way.  Notice its not a right to succeed.....or have a job....or be wealthy.  The only right is be allowed the opportunity.  And for some that opportunity is easier than for others.  But that's life, and Government has no business trying to pick winners & losers, and absolutely should not be in the business of trying to make everyone equally miserable, with their few 1%, delegating themselves as not subject to what everyone else is mandated to
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2015, 07:12:09 AM »
Trump does not appeal to any sort of majority of Americans, and he never will.
25% of a minority party is not very impressive.
And there are a multitude of skeletons in Trump's closet.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2015, 03:11:56 PM »
The reason Trump is polling so well is that as bodacious as he comes across, he's the Anti-politician's politician.  He's not co-towing to the GOP leadership or to the Political establishment.  Too long have politicians campaigned on what they'd do, get the support of those people who believed them, only to watch them fall right in line with DC SOP, once elected. 

The GOP slaughtered the Democrats in the last last election, and in 2010, due directly on just how bad Obama and the Dems were trying to take this country, and both times the subsequent newly elected dropped all efforts to push on what they campaigned on.  Trump, with whatever excesses he brings, isn't going to be one of those.  That's why he continues to poll so high, despite all the pundits who said he'd flame out.  He's not my 1st choice, but I grasp why he's the choice of so many others, who are fed up with politics as usual in DC, topped by your gal, Clinton

And like I said, the PUBLIC IS NOT BEHIND Obamacare, or Abortion on Demand, or Clinton's trustworthiness, or the recent Iran "deal", or not constructing the Keystone pipeline, or not building a wall on our southern border.  So, I'm not sure you want to go there, as it relates to what the public is and isn't behind 
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2015, 07:35:33 PM »
Your opinion of President Obama's popularity has nothing at all to do with  Trump's getting 25% favorable rating among Republican'ts.

If you change the subject, you do not make sense.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2015, 07:57:25 PM »
It's funny how you keep using the 25%, as if he was the ONLY person out there running, when that % is split over a DOZEN candidates, so its ludicrous to try and apply that #, while ignoring the VAST majority of the public that is not behind so many of your leftist causes & candidates.  The public is not behind much of the current political nonsense, so trying to make it solely about the GOP is intellectually disingenuous
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2015, 11:44:08 AM »
rump is pretty much the only person that has announce any policy. He has an immigration policy and it is unworkable, unconstitutional in several aspects and it sucks and has no hope whatever of being implemented, with or without Trump/
The rest of the Republican't zoo has not announced one damned thing about specifically what they would do in the off chance that the public would be stupid enough to elect one of them.

As it says in the Bible: Minnie, Minnie, tickle a Parson. They have been judged and found wanting.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2015, 12:37:06 PM »
More projection.......I'm impressed
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 03:11:32 PM »
It is true. Not one of the Republican'ts has announced any specific policy on anything. All they have done is badmouth Obama.
Except Trump, who has a perfectly awful unworkable policy on immigration, that sucks giant donkeyhonks.

That is not any projection, that is reality.
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2015, 03:21:24 PM »
NO ONE is producing any specific policy proposals, outside of inferrences.  Not Sanders (outside of of some vague anti-corporate references), not Clinton (outside of some vague free tuition references), nor O'Mally, nor anyone.  It's largely too soon for such.  And all they have done is badmouth the GOP.

Your projection is to insist that what's happening with the entire current political process is soley GOP
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2015, 06:44:39 PM »
Sanders has rather a lot of policies: free college tuition, paid for by a tax on Wall Street, raising the minimum wage.
Here is his platform: he has spent a lot more time on this than Trump, obviously.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/agenda/
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Re: A Republican describes in only14 words what is wrong with his Party
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 06:57:33 PM »
Those are just general Democrat platforms, minus the intimate details on how any of it is paid for, no different than most of the general GOP platforms
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