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Thanks Obama for trying to oust Assad!

No wonder there are so many Syrian refugees.....whole towns in Syria empty!


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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2015, 09:47:36 PM »
It is absurd to blame Obama for Syria's Civil War.  Juniorbush started the mess when he invaded Iraq, claiming that there were WMD's.

Assad promised to make reforms many times after he took over from his defunct father and did nothing. Then there was a major drought, with little rain and temperatures as high as 140ºF. The farmers could not grow or harvest their crops. The Assads had been running the country since 1971 45 years is a very long time for one family to run a country. The Iraq War made gins and ammo available.

It is just stupid to blame President Obama for the mess in Syria. You could blame Putin for not sending more aid much easier. The Russians have been allies  Syria for  decades.

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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2015, 09:49:06 PM »
It is absurd to blame Obama for Syria's Civil War.  Juniorbush started the mess when he invaded Iraq, claiming that there were WMD's.

Assad promised to make reforms many times after he took over from his defunct father and did nothing. Then there was a major drought, with little rain and temperatures as high as 140ºF. The farmers could not grow or harvest their crops. The Assads had been running the country since 1971 45 years is a very long time for one family to run a country. The Iraq War made gins and ammo available.

It is just stupid to blame President Obama for the mess in Syria. You could blame Putin for not sending more aid much easier. The Russians have been allies  Syria for  decades.

All Obama did was tell Assad that he should leave. The armed rebellion was well underway when he said that. And most of Europe was in agreement.

It really was time for Assad to go.
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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2015, 05:12:39 AM »
  Evacuating that war zone seems like a good idea.

  I hope that the government that takes it over at the end of the show is good with the right of return.

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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 12:10:51 PM »
It is absurd to blame Obama for Syria's Civil War.

It would be absurd and of course that is not what i stated,
but you don't give a shit what I actually said.

Obama is to blame because he became a big supporter of very questionable groups trying to oust Assad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html

Obama via US Super Power status has greatly contributed to the human disaster in Syria.
Obama did not start it....but his actions has greatly worsened the situation.
Without US moral and financial support the "rebels" would have already been defeated by Syria/Hezbollah/Iran.
Putin has now "seen enough" and is going to stop Obama's game of drip drip drip of death and chaos in Syria.



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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2015, 02:58:44 PM »
Yeah. Putin's your hero. I am sure he will live up to all your expectations.
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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2015, 06:04:42 PM »
Putin will not be arming Islamist like Obama has.
That's what Benghazi is all about.
Hillary/Obama were transferring arms to Islamic Radicals in Syria via Libya.

Obama is complicit in the tragedy in this video: Very Sad.
Thankfully a real leader (Putin) has stepped up to stop the insanity.

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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2015, 06:08:26 PM »
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate:

West "ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Assad step aside"

Guardian UK

Russia proposed more than three years ago that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could step down as part of a peace deal, according to a senior negotiator involved in back-channel discussions at the time.

The former Finnish president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, Martti Ahtisaari, said western powers failed to seize on the proposal. Since it was made, in 2012, tens of thousands of people have been killed and millions uprooted, causing the world's gravest refugee crisis since the World War II.

Mr. Ahtisaari held talks with envoys from the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council in February 2012. He said that during those discussions, the Russian Ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, laid out a three-point plan, which included a proposal for Assad to cede power at some point after peace talks had started between the regime and the Opposition.

Opportunity lost

But he said that the U.S., Britain and France were so convinced that the Syrian dictator was about to fall, they ignored the proposal. "It was an opportunity lost in 2012," Mr. Ahtisaari said in an interview.

Officially, Russia has staunchly backed Mr. Assad through the four-and-a-half year Syrian war, insisting that his removal cannot be part of any peace settlement. Mr. Assad has said that Russia will never abandon him. Moscow has recently begun sending troops, tanks and aircraft in an effort to stabilise the Assad regime, and fight Islamic State extremists.

On February 22, 2012, he was sent to meet the missions of the permanent five nations at U.N. headquarters in New York by The Elders , a group of former world leaders advocating peace and human rights that has included Nelson Mandela, Jimmy Carter, and former U.N. secretary general Kofi Annan.

 Guardian Newspapers Limited, 2015



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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2015, 08:50:03 PM »
What difference would it make if they had ignored the proposal? Why should they have been a part of it? Assad resigns and a new leader is installed.
I think Assad was simply stubborn and refused the proposal all by himself.
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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2015, 03:22:08 PM »
Russian marines join Hizballah in first Syrian battle

DEBKAfile  Exclusive Report 
September 24, 2015

Before dawn on Thursday, Sept. 24, Russian marines went into battle for the first time since their deployment to Syria, DEBKAfile's military and intelligence sources reveal. Russian Marine Brigade 810 fought with Syrian army and Hizballah special forces in an attack on ISIS forces at the Kweiris airbase, east of Aleppo.



This operation runs contrary to the assurances of President Vladimir Putin to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Sept. 21, just three days ago,- that Russian forces in Syria were only there to defend Russian interests and would not engaged in combat with the Syrian army, Hizballah or Iranian troops.

The ISIS force defending the air base is dominated by Chechen fighters under the command of Abu Omar al-Shishani, who is considered one of the terrorist organization's leading commanders in the last two years. The 27-year-old al-Shishani hails from the Chechen enclave of Pankisi in Georgia, like many others who joined ISIS from 2012. 

However, targeting Chechen fighters was not the only reason for the order given by Russian command in Syria to attack the air base.  In DEBKA Weekly 678 of September 11, we predicted that the first Russian mission in Syria would be to break the Syrian rebel siege on Aleppo, Syria's second-largest city.

As their first step, the Russians would have to prevent the cutoff of highway 5, running from Aleppo to Damascus, and keep it open for Syrian army reinforcements and military equipment to the city.

The offensive to regain Kweiris airbase that fell to ISIS in mid-June is the first step in the implementation of Russia's operational plan for the Aleppo area.

Meanwhile, little substance was to be found in the reports appearing, mainly in the United States, suggesting that Putin, disappointed by the Obama administration's unwillingness to send the US Air Force to collaborate with Russia in the fight against ISIS, would try to talk Obama round if and when they meet on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly on September 28.

According to DEBKAfile's sources, these reports were spread to cover up the serious crisis in the US war against ISIS.

While Russia poured troops and advanced hardware into Syria, establishing bases and launching offensive action, the US anti-Islamic State effort suffered a heavy blow with the decision of Obama?s ISIS war czar, Gen. John Allen, to step down in early November.
Sources close to the general were quoted as referring to his frustration "with the White House micromanagement of the war and its failure to provide adequate resources.
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The fact that the Russian forces launched their attack on ISIS shortly after the announcement of Allen's upcoming resignation shows that Putin is not waiting for US cooperation in the war on the Islamist terrorists. That said, DEBKAfile?s military sources point out that the most ominous aspect for the US and Israel of the Russian attack on the Syrian airbase is that Russian marines were combined with Syrian and Hizballah special forces.

For the first time in 41 years, since the 1974 war of attrition against the IDF on the Golan, Russian troops are fighting alongside Syrian forces. It is also the first time that a world power like Russia is willing to go into battle with an acknowledged terrorist group, such as Hizballah.

Our sources point out that the joint attack was completely counter to the tone and the content of the comments exchanged by Putin and Netanyahu at their summit.

http://www.debka.com/article/24902/Russian-marines-join-Hizballah-in-first-Syrian-battle-%E2%80%93-a-danger-signal-for-US-Israel
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Re: no wonder so many Syrian refugees...whole towns in Syria empty! Thx Obama!
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2015, 05:25:34 PM »
Putin cannot be trusted to do what he promises. Putin lies a lot.
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