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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #105 on: October 10, 2015, 02:51:44 PM »
  Paul had nothing to do with the Christians of Ethiopia, or India where quite successful Christian churches were established.

    Paul's influence is great , especially to those with European heritage.

     But of your list of influential people , I would expunge all of the ones that were self aggrandizing, like Mao or violent like Thomas Pane. For Moses or Joan of Arc , they are more of the same.

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« Reply #106 on: October 10, 2015, 03:04:47 PM »
Any scholar of anything tries to draw conclusions of what he is studying. This always includes disproving what is false. If you start with the premise that the hypothesis you are examining is TRUE (ie there are four elements: Earth, Water, Fire and Wind) and try to prove how they might be true (mud is a combination of water and earth, steam is a combination of fire and water,)  then you will never arrive at the truth and you are a phony scholar. The Scientific Method is an effective way to determine the truth and it always starts with the premise that nothing is known to be true, everything is subject to scrutiny.

The Scientific Method started to be used in the Renaissance, and most of the Chemical elements were discovered by using it.
Water was considered to be an element. But it can be separated by electricity into two gases, and so it is not an element but a compound formed by two gaseous elements.

You start with a hypothesis (water is an element) and try to disprove it. That is the route to knowledge. Listening to "the voices" has been proven NOT to be a route to knowledge, because different people hear different voices, and they cannot all be correct.

All knowledge starts with doubt.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #107 on: October 10, 2015, 03:16:12 PM »
This isn't a class.  Religion is not a measure of Scientific method.  One's walk with God is an act of Faith....not some act that must be proven to someone else.  You're not required to believe ..... anything.  THAT's the point. 

But somehow, you feel obligated to try and disprove it to those who do have a faith.  In other words, you're doing what so many like you criticize religious folks in doing....trying to convince others to follow them.  You're simply trying to convince others to not follow their faith.  It's no different than some religious zealot.  Consider yourself the Jim Baker of Agnostics, thumping your subscription of Scientific Journal

You did get one thing right......it starts with doubt.  Doubt is where Satan reigns.  Which is what Christians of faith believe.....including your prescious Obama....if he wasn't lying about that as well
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« Reply #108 on: October 10, 2015, 04:44:16 PM »
All knowledge about everything starts with doubt.

Paul had a huge impact on Christianity everywhere. Without Paul, Gentiles cannot really become Christians.
You will find Paul's writings in both India and Ethiopia.

Christians were pretty rare in India until the Europeans arrived. They still are pretty rare in India, actually. 2.3% of Indians are Christians. They rank somewhere between second and tenth most popular in different states of India. Most common in Goa, a former Portuguese colony and in Pondecherry, which was a French colony. The missionaries to India in the third and fourth centr=uries were of the Syriac type, and Paul influenced them as well.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #109 on: October 10, 2015, 04:48:51 PM »
Yes, Paul did have an "impact" on Christianity.  But he invented nothing, and was not followed by anyone.  Paul did the following ... of Jesus' teachings.  And Whether Christianity was rare in some place, and prevelent in others is all completely irrelevent to the topic of Carson, and what it means to be a Christian....which includes the belief of Satan     ::)
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« Reply #110 on: October 10, 2015, 04:53:22 PM »
Paul invented the idea that Gentiles could be Christians without following the umpteen commandnents of the Old Testament. Jesus, as you may recall, said that the commandments (and there are hundreds of them, not just the Ten Charleton Heston Commandments you are familiar with) must be followed. Paul said, nope, ally ally oxen free. All you need is Jeeezus.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #111 on: October 10, 2015, 05:03:39 PM »
No, that'd be you inventing the idea that Paul was inventing something other than following the Christian faith.  sorry.....go fish
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« Reply #112 on: October 10, 2015, 08:02:31 PM »
  Paul as a prophet and teacher didn't need to invent anything , his prophecy is a gift of God and nothing else.

   Jesus told all of the apostles to spread the word and recruit from every nation, Paul wrote a lot and was an effective leader but the other apostles were also pretty busy.

   I think that Paul was important , but it is Christ that is crucial.

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« Reply #113 on: October 10, 2015, 08:39:53 PM »
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #114 on: October 10, 2015, 08:52:33 PM »
Jesus, as you may recall, said that the commandments (and there are hundreds of them, not just the Ten Charleton Heston Commandments you are familiar with) must be followed. Paul said, nope,.....


Not so fast .

This is only half true about the diet , and not true at all otherwise.

Jesus ,you may recall ,had a problem with the hyperliteral Pharisee who were all about enforcement of the law to the greatest degree.

  It is Jesus who discussed the idea that the law was for man rather than man was for the law.

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« Reply #115 on: October 11, 2015, 10:04:14 AM »
The Bible claims that Jesus said a lot of things at one time that contradicted what he said at another.

It is pretty clear that what Jesus was up to was a populist reform movement within Judaism that had little or nothing to do with Gentiles. Gentiles were simply tolerated, as a part of the local climate.

Paul was the one who decided that Christianity was going to be a movement that sought to convert Gentiles. There is zero indication that any other disciples had this in mind. Jesus brother, James opposed Paul, and has been relegated to obscurity. They made him a saint after he was dead. Eventually Paul convinced Peter and that is when the Christian movement separated itself from the Jewish religion.

Without Paul, Christianity would neither have grown into a major religion, nor changed in the many ways it has since the crucifixion. It was not decided until the Council of Nicea, in AD 325. Note that Jesus said NOTHING about the Trinity. He did not mention "The Father, Me, and the Holy Ghost". The Trinity was affirmed at Nicea, a  near what is today Istanbul.

What constituted the Canon of Judaism were not entirely decided upon until 200 CE, so whatever Jesus referred to mat or might not have been what is considered  a compendium of Jewish beliefs today. What should be in the New Testament has never been entirely decided upon by all the various traditions of Christianity, but the Catholics seem to have reached agreement by about 400 CE. There was disagreement  by many about whether to consider the Old Testament part of the Christian Canon, but, being as it includes prophesies about how Jesus was the alleged Jewish Messiah, they included it, though not in the same arrangement as Jews today consider it.

There are many instances in which Books and passages of the Bible were included and excluded by the votes of men who had never read them. Perhaps someone told them, "we have to pass it to what is in it".

Who was born on December 25th? That would be Mithra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_mysteries  The date was chosen because it is the date at which the days begin to get observably longer: the Sun is returning. Being as Mirthraism was a Persian religion, and it mostly excluded women, it is pretty obscure today, as the Muslims regarded it as idolatrous,  which, of course, it clearly was. It was the most popular religion among the Rokman legions, who, of course, were mostly NOT Roman, especially in the Eastern part of the Empire. At the time of Jesus actual birth, we hear that shepds were about, tending their flocks, and of course that would require vegetation. There is not much reason for a shepherd to tend his sheep near Bethlehem in December, as there would be nothing for said sheep to eat. Jesus was probably born in the Spring, but the Dec. 25th date was near rather a lot of popular holiday celebrations in the Roman Empire, so that seems to be why that date was selected.

And Jesus was said to have been born in times of King Herod, who died in 4 BCE, so Jesus lived, not from 1 CE to 33 CE, but from somewhere around 4-8 BCE and 25-29 CE. The Bible does describe historical events, but not precisely or well or in any way completely. There si doubt that there was an actual settlement at Nazareth  at the time of Jesus' life. There is evidence of settlement before 700 BCE and after 300 CE, but towns were destroyed and not rebuilt until centuries had passed.

Christianity was spread to India and Ethiopia by Egyptian and Syrian missionaries, and their sermons  contained great amounts of Paul, although Paul did not venture to either place. Most Indian Christians are descendants of  people converted by European missionaries,  by the way, and are about 2.3% of the Indian population.  It ranks third, after Hinduism (79%) and Islam (14%).  India is the birthplace of even more religions than the "Holy Land".

The Church changed in many ways during the time of Paul until the Council of Nicea. It was decided that the communion wine would actually change into human blood. Humans are not kosher, and drinking actual blood and of course, cannibalism and anathema to the Jewish traditions. The Jewish Scholar Maimonides described in great detail what was unkosher about Christianity of his time (1135-1204). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides

He was born in Córdoba, Spain, and lived in Morocco, Egypt and in other places. He is honored with a plaque in the House of Representatives.  I doubt that he commentaries on Christianity were known at the time. Jews sort of deliberately fail to recall commentaries on Christianity than are critical. It has been a pretty good idea to do this. Maimonides had rather a long list of Christian beliefs that he considered heretical, untrue and trayf. I read his works in Spanish, but I am sure that it is available in English online. He is somewhat difficult to wade through, as he likes long sentences. Some of what I have read of his works were written in Arabic and Hebrew, so perhaps the translator is to blame. Maimonides is particularly critical of the misinterpretation of what a Messiah is, and how the Trinity is an anathema. He is a strict monotheist.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2015, 12:22:43 AM »
That is a lot of needless complication to support a theory that is not that complicated at all.

Jesus did not restrict Christianity to Jews, there are several scriptures to point to.

Here is one.

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Matthew 28:16-20New International Version (NIV)

The Great Commission

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

If Jesus had intent to start a political movement , then he unaccountably did nothing about it, said nothing about it.

If by dint of deliberate misinterpretation , one can reverse the meaning of Jesus words , this is probably a pretty serious offence that Jesus will call on account.

I know Maimonides very little , but I suspect this is what he was doing just from what you have provided so far.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2015, 01:51:21 AM »
That is a lot of needless complication to support a theory that is not that complicated at all.

BINGO

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« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2015, 01:37:37 PM »
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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This is NOT a quote from Jesus when he was actually ALIVE. This was added after his death.
On the same occasion, he said he would return before the last of the disciples had died, and that was an unfulfilled promise as well.

During Jesus actual, pre-crucifixion ministry, he catered to Jews and Jess alone.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2015, 02:11:44 PM »
Being that at the time, he didn't have access to a private jet, his travels were a tad limited.  Point being his message was directed to EVERYONE, Jews & Gentiles alike.  It was a simple, uncomplicated message to the masses.  That you have no obligation to believe either.   
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