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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2015, 10:08:04 AM »
Jesus said he would return soon, and he didn't. Not in a lifetime, not in a century not in 1000 or probably 2000 years.
;I am reminded "There is a lot of crap here, there must be a pony in here somewhere".

"Jesus Christ" is mostly a creation of Paul or Tarsus, anyway.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2015, 10:42:24 AM »
You don't get the chose Christ's definition of "soon", sorry to say.  And as a Christian, one does believe in Satan, including your precious Obama.  Unless of course he's lying about claiming he's a Christian, to add to his massive resume of lies
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2015, 11:39:47 AM »
Supposedly. Jesus is God and God is all-knowing, and that would include knowing what humans understand by the words they use.
Language only communicates when both the speaker and the listener agree mutually on the meaning of the words.

Everyone knows what "soon" means. Jesus defined it:

"For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

So Jesus said that he would return while some of the disciples he was speaking with died.

So either he failed to return by that time, or there are two or more really really REALLY old apostles still alive.

Or he lied. 

It's IN THE BOOK.

Paul clearly believed that Jesus was about to return at any moment, and said so repeatedly.  So it is not just me that understands the meaning of "soon".

People keep reading this, and many are so dumb that fail to realize that the Bible was written waaaaaay back when, and they paint on walls "Jesus is coming"
Cristo viene ya.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2015, 12:21:17 PM »
Putting aside how completely out of context you're taking the scripture, like I said, you, a puny little human, and non-believer to boot, don't get to define God's time parameters, or confining God to what you define as "soon"
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2015, 02:41:29 PM »
Jesus defined his own parameters quite clearly. The context is there. It says what it says.

He said he would return before some of those he was speaking to has "tasted death". And they died and he did not return, That simple.

I get to interpret the Bible any way I choose. As I said, Paul is mostly responsible for what Christianity became. Jesus led a group of Jews who never ceased being Jews.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2015, 03:00:17 PM »
No one claimed that what Jesus said isn't what Jesus said.  The issue is your puny human definitions, trying to be applied upon a diety.  As in, you don't get to define his time parameters.

So, yea, you can make all kinds of things up.  Doesn't make it applicable in any way to Christianity, however
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2015, 03:40:39 PM »
Again, JESUS defined his parameters. "I will return before some of you have died". Well, he did NOT return.
The only way that his statement was not a false prediction is if some of the disciples are still alive?
I would think that a  couple of guys so ancient would have been noticed  during the past two thousand years.
No one was sworn to secrecy.

SOON does not mean "in the next five thousand years in any language spoken by any human.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2015, 04:08:41 PM »
No, YOU are trying to define his with your human effort to paint soon in some form of human sense.  Sorry, you simply don't have that level of Omnipotent clearance

And yes, he DID return, 3 days later.  So you can put that attempt to contort scripture to rest
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2015, 08:24:16 PM »
This was a different return after the return from the grave. After he returned from the grave, he promised to return AGAIN and that is the quote from Matthew.

And no, he didn't return
Read the damned book, sirs.

You believe but you don't even know WHAT you believe.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2015, 09:02:45 PM »
  What is the problem with having some very old Christians around?

  Is staying alive longer than Methuselah more miraculous than coming back from the dead?

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2015, 09:08:44 PM »
Is staying alive longer than Methuselah more miraculous than coming back from the dead?

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Any doctor would say that staying alive for 2000 years is FAR more miraculous. People get resusitated in hospitals on a daily basis.
But there no evidence that there are any 2000 years old disciples around. That is the sort of thing people notice.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2015, 10:06:45 PM »
  There's a lot of trees that old, might be a few fish that old.

    Resuscitation is a sort of a special case, a jumpstart only works if it is done quickly.

Methuselah only went for one millennium,  there are a lot of fish that old , and perhaps a few whales.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2015, 04:19:34 AM »
You believe but you don't even know WHAT you believe.

You have a serious issue with this notion you know what others think & believe.  You have no fricken idea what I believe, and you better grasp the fact that I do.  ANY person that claims to be a Christian believes that:
A) Christ died for us, so that we may enter the kingdom of God
B) Satan exists, and is forever attempting to cast doubt and coerce us to perform acts contrary to Christian ethics & morals

It doesn't get much simpler than that....period.  Now, as stated before YOU are not required to believe that, but any Christian does......including your precious Obama......unless of course, he's lying about being a Christian
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2015, 05:10:38 AM »
How does it work to be a Christian that doesn't believe in Satan?

Jesus believed in Satan, and Satan believes in Jesus.

Which one does one argue with?

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2015, 09:51:56 AM »
Jesus believed in Satan, and Satan believes in Jesus.

Which one does one argue with?

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Jesus believed that insanity was caused by demonic possession, and that the demons could be transferred into a herd of pigs, which would then become suicidal.
Paul liked to discuss how faith should be tested by furgling with snakes. This has resulted in a large number of snake handlers getting bit and killed over the years.

Demons as a cause of insanity is not something that sane rational people believe in anymore. The usual Christian reaction is to just ignore it as though it never happened or was mentioned.

We are LOTS BETTER at curing leprosy than Jesus ever was. There were lepers running all over the place and Jesus allegedly cured less than a dozen of them.
When was the last time you saw a leper, other than on TV or film?
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