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The_Professor

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Flip-flop? McCain
« on: February 22, 2007, 12:08:11 PM »
McCain Changes Tack on Abortion
Monisha Bansal
(CNSNews.com) - Switching positions on Roe v. Wade, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) now says he believes the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion should be overturned -- but pro-lifers aren't necessarily convinced about his sincerity.

Thirty-four years after the court ruling, it remains highly contentious and a fixture of electoral politics.

In 1999, when McCain was on the presidential campaign trail, he took a different stance on the abortion law.

"Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force x number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations," he told the San Francisco Chronicle at the time.

But on Sunday, during a campaign stop in Spartanburg, S.C., McCain -- once again a Republican presidential contender -- stated: "I do not support Roe v. Wade. It should be overturned."

National Right to Life praised the senator's comments.

"Roe v. Wade has resulted in the deaths of 48 million unborn children and should be reversed, once again allowing legislative bodies to protect unborn children and their mothers," the pro-life group said.

"People certainly grow in office," Tom McClusky, vice president of government affairs at Family Research Council, told Cybercast News Service. "If that is him growing in office, he's growing in the right direction."

But McClusky conceded that McCain's change of position could be politically motivated.

"I'm sure 2008 has effected his decision also, in realizing that the base of the Republican Party is pro-life and a number of them don't consider him pro-life," he said.

"People can say whatever they want to say, but I'd like to see more action," McClusky added.

In particular, he said, he would like to see McCain "being more of an advocate on the life issue: opposing the extra funding for Planned Parenthood that the Democrats are trying to do, opposing embryonic stem cell research, which he unfortunately supports. There are a number of actions he could take which would back up the words."

At the same time, McClusky said, "I'm heartened that he signed the letter to President Bush asking him to veto any attempts at legislation by the Democrats to change current pro-life law."

McCain was one of 35 senators to sign the letter to President Bush last week. Though not a majority, the senators could block any attempts to override a veto.

Although Planned Parenthood, National Abortion Federation, NARAL Pro-Choice America, and the National Organization for Women did not respond to requests for comment for this article, it is unlikely that McCain's comments will change how the groups view him as a candidate.

NARAL gave the senator a zero percent rating in 2006. And according to Project Vote Smart, which looks at voting records in Congress, McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood and NARAL zero percent of the time from 1996 to the present.

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Plane

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Re: Flip-flop? McCain
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2007, 01:09:27 PM »
I wonder where he got the 48 million figure.

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 02:49:06 PM »
Over 40 Million Abortions
in U.S. since 1973

There have been more than 40 million abortions in the twenty six   years since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized unrestricted abortion on January 22, 1973.

Except when noted, the following statistics are based on research published by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, special research affiliate of Planned Parenthood Federation of America--the nation's largest provider and promoter of abortion.   Estimates for 1997 and 1998 are based on trends from previous years.

In the past, AGI has estimated a possible 3-6% rate of underreporting. The following uses the lower figure.


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        Year                               Annual Number of Abortions                           
   1973                                                   744,600       
   1974                                                    898,600       
   1975                                               1,034,200         
   1976                         1,179,300       
   1977                          1,316,700               
   
   1978                                             1,409,600       
   1979                                             1,497,700       
   1980                                             1,553,900       
   1981                                             1,577,300       
   1982                                             1,573,900       

   1983                                             1,575,000       
   1984                                             1,577,200       
   1985                                             1,588,600       
   1986                                             1,574,000       
   1987                                             1,559,100       

   1988                                             1,590,800       
   1989                                             1,566,900       
   1990                                             1,608,600       
   1991                                             1,556,500       
   1992                                             1,528,900       

   1993                                             1,500,000       
   1994                                             1,431,0000
   1995                         1,363,690              
   1996                          1,365,730
   1997                          1,328,000
   1998                          1,328,000 Estimate   
   1999                          1,328,000 Estimate   
   2000                          1,328,000 Estimate                                                 
          2001                          1,328,000 Estimate        
Total abortions from1973 to 1998 -- 38,010,378
(Based on numbers and estimates reported by the Alan Guttmacher Institute 1973-1996,with NRLC
 estimates of 1,365,730 for 1997 and 1998.  AGI estimates a possible 3% underreporting rate,
 which is factored into the total.)
Source for statistics for 1973 through 1992: Stanley K. Henshaw, et al.,"Abortions Services in the United States, 1991 and 1992," Family Planning Perspectives, vol.26, no.3 (May/June 1994), p.101.

see http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/aboramt.html

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Re: Flip-flop? McCain
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 08:42:35 PM »
So the question is, in what way would the US have been improved if we had 48 million unwanted citizens?

We have about 300,000,000 people now. If each of these abortions had resulted in a child, then we would have 348,000,000 people, and around one of seven would have been unwanted by his or her mother. Some of them would also have had unwanted children as well.

Or would this have indeed been an improvement?

Could you point out why, perchance?
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2007, 10:44:19 PM »
"So the question is, in what way would the US have been improved if we had 48 million unwanted citizens?"

How could it be improved? Well, I can account for at least one of these. My wife & I, for example, are in the process of adopting a girl from China. I would LOVE to adopt one form the U.s., but guess what? There are no healthy infant/toddlers to be found, unless you are extremely wealthy.

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2007, 11:33:21 PM »
So you feel the role of promiscuous women is to supply the childless with healthy offspring of the proper hue?

There used to be an oversupply of such children, with orphanages and such.


Why are they advertising on Miami radio for people to adopt American-born children? What could that be about?
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2007, 11:37:37 PM »
We searched pretty thoroughly and with no positive results. Now, if you have $60K or so, then the gates open wide open....

"So you feel the role of promiscuous women is to supply the childless with healthy offspring of the proper hue?"

I'll ignore your trying to, again, bring up issues of color...sigh. It is BRS, aka Broken Record Syndrome again.

No, my comment is presupposing that many of these aborted babies could instead be adopted into healthy families.
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Re: Flip-flop? McCain
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 11:51:56 PM »
48 million fewer Mexicans needed.

48 million more Democratic voters.

48 million liveing people who are presently dead.

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2007, 12:35:26 AM »
Well, SOME of these might be Republican voters, if they were so enlightened.

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Re: Flip-flop? McCain
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2007, 02:14:02 AM »
Well, SOME of these might be Republican voters, if they were so enlightened.


Compare the demographics of Democratic voters vs abortion victims.