Grey explains Texas

[Plane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92fTz_-kQE&feature=player_embedded

[Xavier_Onassis]

So, there you go. Texas cannot secede.

[Plane]

So, there you go. Texas cannot secede.

Not so fast!

General Santa Anna made just about the same ruling about Texas secession.

These ruling things do not always work.

I was amused mostly by the assertion that Texas has already got a deal to make itself five Texases and Red State bust the Senate.

This would be hard to manage , as an idea it is amusing, in actuality I would not recommend it.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Texas will neither divide or secede. Military defeat of the US Army is not possible, and of course, most Texans do not really want to secede, anyway. It is only another 20 years or so before Texas is a Blue state, anyway. Latinos and Blacks have lots more children.

There are a lot of stupid myths about Texas history. My father was born in Gainesville, TX and left Texas when he was 24, but he was a history buff, and knew all the myths, most of which they taught him in school.

[Christians4LessGvt]

The US Constitution is completely silent on the issue of a state leaving the union. This country was founded on secession. We seceded from Great Britain, and people thought it was insane for the colonists to do, yet they did, and we know the rest. We have lost our way, and it really is just a matter of time before it all collapses. It happened to the Romans, the Greeks, and every other major dominant power in history. Not sure why America thinks it will be the exception, it won't be. Right now we can pretend trillion dollar deficits don't matter. We can pretend nothing will ever change....but secession will one day be the only option once hyperinflation sets in, and a loaf of bread will cost more than you can carry in a wheel barrow. Really we are only a devastating terrorist attack or two away (devastating power grid attack...etc) from scenarios that could easily set the wheels of secession in motion. In these scenarios the US Military would not remain a united unit. All over the world we have seen time and again a military fracture or not follow a central governments commands any longer. Because the US Military follows orders from DC currently or has in the past, does not equate that is a given in certain national emergency scenarios. We could face situations that we have never faced in the history of the country. In my opinion it's not a question of "if", it's a question of when.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Greece was never unified until Alexander conquered it and unified it by force. The Roman Empire was unified by force as well. This country was NOT unified by military force: the Indians were wiped out or rendered totally powerless, and settlers from all over the country came in to occupy the land.
It is amazing that deficits never matter when we are supposedly "defending the homeland" by invading and occupying Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever, but the moment that money is being spent to educate, house, or feed the poor, then the deficit is going to destroy the country.

I doubt that the US will remain unified or occupy the same borders forever, but I see no secession as likely. The military is not sectional. The US Army in Texas is not dominated by Texans officers. It is loyal to the Federation, and I do not see this changing.

I agree that it may be a matter of when. And I would see that when as being far after all of us in this forum are pushing up the daisies.

[Plane]

This country was NOT unified by military force: the Indians were wiped out or rendered totally powerless, and settlers from all over the country came in to occupy the land.

I think that military force was involved in that project.

Also I believe that the Civil War involved military force , at least a little.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Thios country was not unified originally by military force: New York did not force New Jersey to join the Union.

The real point is that Texas is not going to secede or even attempt to secede. After another 15 or 20 years, the grip of the White Texans will be gone, Texas will be as blue as Frank Sinatra's eyes, and we will stop hearing this silly shit secession shit.
 In the meantime it is only serving as an amusement of the warped mind of ignorant 'baggers.

[Plane]

As blue as Frank Sinatra's eyes?

You poet you.


Why wouldn't Texas, under those circumstances, just give itself back to Mexico?

Did the Mexican government ever accept the legitimacy of the conquest /secession?

As I understand it the Mexican territory that became Texas slowly filled with Georgians and Carolinians at the invite of the Mexican government.Until the Mexican government became alarmed at the prevalence of the foreign population and the strange expectation of the newcomers twards learning the language and obeying the government.

  The same process in reverse will just stop at the point that Texas becomes a dependable Democratic blue state?

   What keeps the reversal from completion?

    Perhaps the Democratic plan also gets rid of Texas. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

As I understand it the Mexican territory that became Texas slowly filled with Georgians and Carolinians at the invite of the Mexican government.Until the Mexican government became alarmed at the prevalence of the foreign population and the strange expectation of the newcomers twards learning the language and obeying the government.

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The new immigrants to Texas were given land at no cost on three conditions: (1) that there would be NO SLAVERY, which was abolished under the Constitution of 1824; that all immigrants convert to Roman Catholicism and (3) that they learn Spanish, the national language. They did none of these. When Santa Anna and his corrupt regime came to power, they refused to pay their taxes. The Mexican government insisted on their abandoning slavery. Then they rebelled. They had no legal right.

They were very lucky that Santa Anna was very stupid prior to the Battle of San Jacinto. Strangely, the Texans celebrate the battle they decisively lost, at the Alamo.

[Christians4LessGvt]

After another 15 or 20 years, the grip of the White Texans will be gone, Texas will be as blue as Frank Sinatra's eyes

Ha Ha....yeah sure.....you pretend there can only be one destiny.
pretend that the only destiny is the obvious...when many times it turns out destiny is not the obvious.
pretend that determined smart people won't be able to figure out a "work-around"

If you had been around during the early days of this country you'd have definitely been claiming
"we can't form these colonies the Indians control all these lands"
"we can't secede from England, they are much more powerful and will crush us"
that's because you were born with a "think small" brain.

Brain-power, innovation, and free enterprise capitalism will forever survive.

It may change locations....

but a bunch of European descendants are not going to just roll over & live forever in 3rd world Spanish speaking hell-holes.

So... if you are right...and Texas eventually turns into a "Guatemala starter kit" because of an illegality
the European descendants will just land somewhere else, form a union, and then they will prosper.
the place does not need to be large....Japan and Germany are small places but have dominated the world economy.

so yes....if Texas and the US eventually are allowed to be illegally over-run by poor uneducated peasants from the 3rd world
the "brain-power" will land some place and prosper...

"there is nothing permanent except change"
Heraclitus - 540 BC

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am not talking about Texas being overrun by Guatemalan illegals.
California is a Blue State. This is why: Non-Hispanic White population, 39.2%; Black  7.3%; Hispanic, 37.6%;Asian 14.4%

 The Non-Hispanic White population of TX in 2010 is 44.3%; Black population is 11.8%;Hispanic is 37.6% Asian is 3.8%
 
Just take a look at any elementary school playground in the larger cities and you can easily see who has the most kids.
If the border were closed tomorrow, it would still be only a short while until White Anglos would have as a hard time  getting elected in Texas as they do in California.
White Texans are simply less fertile than the other groups. Their average age is higher as well, which also is reflected in the birth rate and will be reflected in the total population.

Old White Guys are already outnumbered. They will be an elective minority soon.

[Christians4LessGvt]

yes and exactly as I stated the brains are not going to accept your creeping control freak socialist non-sense forever.
you think just because "ninos make more ninos" that will be the "end of the game"?.....LOL
again....yeah sure!

[Xavier_Onassis]

FLASH!

I am not in any way in control of anyone's breeding habits. Children grow into adults, then they register and they vote, And they Are in no way interested in making the government a midget they can drown in their bathtubs.

Perhaps you could consider moving to Alabama.

Old White guys will cease to control Texas within 10 to 20 years, and there is really not one fucking thing you can do to stop it.
Texas will be as blue as Frank Sinatra's eyes quite soon, just like California.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Yes and again...in case you still can not comprehend
if Texas ceases to be controlled by whites thru illegality
and that in turn causes freedoms to be erased then the whites will
simply find another place to create innovate and simply kick ass.
you cheer and are gleeful about whites losing power...
but what's funny is....long term it's not going to work
the creative brains of innovation will never be harnessed
not by illegality, by vote, by anything
whites will not as a large group be happy living in a "Honduras Starter Kit"
(Honduras, Guatemala are only examples dumbass!...simply euphemisms for shit-holes)
i have zero doubt that my descendants will do just fine where-ever they may have to flee to.
And once that happens it will start all over again....
The peasants will once again be attracted to get close to the life that brains/ingenuity/innovation afford mankind