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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2015, 03:14:41 PM »
Nor was the 2nd amendment about muskets....otherwise it would have said the right to bear muskets shall not be infringed.  And everyone with a 4th grade reading comprehension knows this
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2015, 11:28:48 AM »
The four guns used in the San Bernardino massacre were all purchased legally from federally licensed firearms dealers which means the buyers passed background checks. As usual President Obama's and the Left's knee-jerk response to mass shootings"universal background checks" makes no sense.

Federal officials say Syed Rizwan Farook, one of the massacre's perpetrators, bought the two 9mm pistols used in the attack from gun shops in San Diego and Corona. That means he passed background checks, which indicates he did not have a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric record. An acquaintance of Farook's bought the two AR-15-style rifles used in the attack, a DPMS A-15 and a Smith & Wesson M&P15, also at gun shops in San Diego and Corona.

The fact that the rifles were legally purchased in California exposes the fatuousness of another gun policy that Obama favors: a federal ban on so-called assault weapons. California has one of the country's strictest "assault weapon" bans, but somehow it did not forbid the sale of rifles that have been widely described in the press as "assault weapons" (or even "assault rifles," which falsely suggests they were capable of automatic fire).

Targeting so-called assault weapons was always about emphasizing "menacing looks" in the hope of confusing the public, and to this day leading supporters of laws like California's misrepresent the firearms they want to ban. That includes Obama, who describes these semiautomatic rifles as "fully automatic...weapons of war," and Hillary Clinton, who conflates them with "machine guns."

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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2015, 01:10:56 PM »
100% spot on

The current manifestation of the liberal Democrat is no longer one that stays cloaked in intentions.  They have no problems just lying outright to push a political agenda.  And if it takes a tragedy, all the more reason to try and use that emotion to their cause.  No longer is that apparently "inappropriate".  I suppose you could say that it started at the Wellstone memorial, when a service, that the President was attending, turned into an overt political pep rally.

In any case, despite the rhetoric that supposedly is prompted by the actions taken or being proposed, the transparent efforts to push their political agenda, is bare for all to see.  Obamination Care has done everything precisely opposite of what was "pledged".  Race card is played is played every time the right races are involved.  And here, we have more "common sense gun laws" being proposed that would have done nothing to have prevented this terrorist attack 
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2015, 09:27:18 AM »
They did not need to say it was about muskets, flintlocks and blunderbusses. Those were all the firearms that were available.
Just like your auto license says nothing about having four wheels.
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2015, 02:26:07 PM »
And now there are more modern firearms available.   The Constitution doesn't mandate a specific time period to anything.     ::)
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2015, 12:22:45 AM »
I do not think the government fears the citizens.
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There is no chance that any armed civilian group will even try to overthrow the government.

The chances may be small in any given year, but this is not a zero chance.

How many governments in existence now were formed in revolution?

How many in all historical time?

In the choice between having people and government love each other, having people fear their government or having the government fear the people , the least harm is in choosing to have the government need to worry about the people.

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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2015, 02:23:48 PM »
The least harm is when no one fears anyone.

This is a false dichotomy.
Is it preferable that the Mall owners fear that the shoppers are going to burn down the Mall or that the Mall security is going to hold the shoppers for ransom?
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2015, 09:55:42 PM »
The least harm is when no one fears anyone.


Is this choice available?

If we can get there, why forbid any weapon?

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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2015, 11:14:36 PM »
Because there will always be nut cases. Sanity will never be 100%.
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2015, 04:23:54 AM »
And until you can make a legal classification of what makes a nut case, outside of your opinion, or some act after the fact, the right  to carry and possess firearms, in this country, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2015, 07:09:40 PM »
Notice how there's no rational response to the irrational rhetoric regarding "nut cases"
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2015, 10:13:30 PM »
Because there will always be nut cases. Sanity will never be 100%.

The people who commit mass shootings are not always insane, but they are rarer than one in a million in any particular year.

Gun round ups aren't 100% either, the guy that is willing to toss his life away this way will be able to get one if any exist at all, it is a matter of motivation.

The guy that shot all those socialist children in Norway was willing to scour all of Europe to get the gun he wanted, if it had been twice as difficult then he may have spent another week in searching.

Note the Australian experience, after a truly sweeping gun buyback program , spree killings happen at about the same rate as usual.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
  The Australians count arsonists as mass killers , I think this is fair but it complicates the point about the value of gun regulation.

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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2015, 09:25:54 AM »
When Japan has mass mass murdering with guns at the same rate as the US, I will believe you have a point.

Until then, nope, not going even to unhook the screen door.
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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2015, 04:51:54 PM »
japan and switzerland has more in common with each other than the U.S.

I have very little doubt the swiss has lootting problems.


the california I used to know was very similiar to these two countries but now I`m not so sure


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Re: Tragedy in San Bernadino
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2015, 05:07:26 PM »
Americans, Japanese, Swiss all have this in common: if you shoot them, they die.
If deprived of a gun, no Japanese, Swiss, or American will shoot anyone.
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