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Re: The Bundy Y'all Qaeda Cowliphate seems to lack legality.
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2016, 06:23:22 PM »
Of course it makes no sense.

Were you trying to make sense?

A party that believes that the answer to every problem is government is going to create more government than anyone needs and cover itself with power at the peoples expense.

So the analogy to a drug company that uses drugs to fix everything from piles to broken bones is apt.

But the reality of excessive government is a drug on everything that a free people want to do.

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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2016, 07:35:52 PM »
Governments can certainly take care of people's health, both mental and physical
Republicans like the idea of having an underclass waiting in the wings to frighten the employed into not forming unions and demand to be treated with respect.  They also find that lumpenproletarians and religious nuts and gun nuts to support them.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2016, 05:09:57 AM »
Governments can certainly take care of people's health, both mental and physical
Republicans like the idea of having an underclass waiting in the wings to frighten the employed into not forming unions and demand to be treated with respect.  They also find that lumpenproletarians and religious nuts and gun nuts to support them.

This why the Democrats want the unemployed of four continents to flow this direction?

Are unions really well served by lax immigration policies?

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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2016, 10:04:16 AM »
The entire system is based upon growth of the population. The population must grow constantly. Since the government cannot mandate reproduction, it must admit immigrants, lest we find ourselves in the sort of stagnation now afflicting Japan. Unions can deal with moderate immigration, but not with irregular waves of immigration of peasant farmers.

A lower rate of population growth could succeed using robotics, but the profits that come from the productivity of robots must be equitably distributed.  as seems to have occurred in the world of Star Trek TNG and DS9, in which everyone has enough and no one seeks to dominate. This is utopian, and poorly described in the series.as a sort of background.
 

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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2016, 07:31:36 PM »
The entire system is based upon growth of the population.


Well there's your problem.
Didn't we used to increase our own population, and bear the cost of raising them to adulthood ourselves?

Are we getting a bargain by stealing the productive age people of poorer countries?

Or are we getting too many and can't make them into citizens ? 

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2016, 07:35:45 PM »
Well, no, not really. This country has always had a robust rate of immigration. The birth rate was once higher as well. But of course, there are limits to growth. A population cannot grow forever.

Republicans refuse to think about making them into citizens.
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2016, 09:28:08 PM »
A population cannot grow forever.



What would be the sign that we are nearing the point at which further growth is counterproductive?

Might this be a point we passed in the past?

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2016, 11:39:30 PM »
We are perhaps not there yet, but the point is that constant growth is not sustainable. The same is true of the consumer economy.
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2016, 11:00:29 PM »
  We could quite well be past sustainable numbers already.

   In the USA about 2% of us are involved in farming and ranching, this requires a lot of automation, fuel , pesticide and fertilizer.

Our soil quality and available water for agriculture is in decline.

It really will not matter how sophisticated anything else is if the basics fail.