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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2016, 03:57:29 PM »
I have a Medicare Advantage plan, which is cheaper and better in every way from all the plans I had with the college I worked for.
So the way to go for healthcare is to have a plan that everyone belongs to, and the option for people to use an alternative plan such as Medicare Advantage for the same rate, that will need to offer MORE in order for people to choose it.

The best solution is just to extend Medicare to everyone.
I do not expect President Sanders would do everything exactly as promised because no president in history has ever managed to implement every objective in exactly the way they planned.

I vote for what I think a politicians is most likely to accomplish.
I don't  expect any of the Republicans  to do nothing to promote equality between men & women, gays & straights, rich & poor or Black & White.
I d not expect they would even try to bust up the too big to fail banks or to do anything about income disparity between workers and bosses or the rich and the poor. I do expect them to suck up to the military industrial complex, probably to start unnecessary wars, throw huge piles of money at the military as requested by lobbyists, and to do nothing about climate change. I expect them to defend Big Coal and Big Oil against the  environmentalists. I expect them to suck up to Big Pharma and the NRA in the usual shameless Republican manner.
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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2016, 04:36:05 PM »
Good for you on your medicare

That's about the only thing "good" in all that verbage.  The "best solution", based on our Constitution, Freedoms, and Free market economy, is to keep Government's hands off any controls of healthcare.  The Government's function is nothing more than oversight and protection.  That's it.  Anythially, then can facilitate the Government to step in with severe repercussions.  Gutting our system however, is not one of them

And I vote for politicians that will uphold the rulebook on how this country is to run....including supporting the means by which the rules can be amended.  That's the very definition of fairness...as in following the rules, and to apply them to EVERYONE

Equality is up to the indivudal.  No one is stopping anyone from being all they can be.  It appears however the left believes minorities and women as inferior, so they must "prop" them up with feel good leglsiation
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2016, 09:13:49 PM »
No, it is not.

Proper healthcare should be the right of every American citizen.
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sirs

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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2016, 10:31:28 PM »
Yea,  it actually.   You have no right to someone else's services. .... period
« Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 02:03:11 AM by sirs »
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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2016, 12:06:18 AM »
Yeah, right, no one has a right to anything.  Except to own a gun.

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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2016, 12:10:10 AM »
And these two ideas were unrelated?

They are both related to the Hegelian theory of history as a process of action --> reaction --> synthesis, called the dialectic.\

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic

Never conflated not from similar origin?

No, not conflated. Naziism, in addition to the Hegelian theory seems to be related  to Oswald  Spengler's  Decline of the West. in that it presents history as the rise and fall of specific nationalities. Spengler rejected  Antisemitism and the idea that the perfected Nazi state would be immune to a decline after being established.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Spengler

Good ideas often spring from bad ideas, and rejecting Democratic Socialism, which has eliminated poverty in several countries and made it possible for a greater number of people to reach their full potential than any other system, is clearly superior to the murky, mystical and  greed inspired nonsense that the Republican'ts  spew.

The Hegelian dialectic seems to require that the people involved understand what they are doing , which I believe would be exceptional. Most of the time most of the people operate in illusion and misunderstanding. Not even the highest leadership does much more than react to the most recent events in a sub optimal way.

Mussolini left the Communists because he thought he could improve on them, Hitler like Mussolini did a lot to lift his people out of poverty. If a lot of these people had the understanding of things that would allow them to understand the events of the next decade , they would have opted to keep the poverty.   

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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2016, 12:11:50 AM »
Yeah, right, no one has a right to anything.  Except to own a gun.

Did you ever meet a student that felt he had a right to a good grade , regardless his understanding or effort?

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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2016, 02:04:07 AM »
Yeah, right, no one has a right to anything.  Except to own a gun.

That makes absolutely no sense.  No surprise, I suppose
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2016, 10:24:23 AM »

Did you ever meet a student that felt he had a right to a good grade , regardless his understanding or effort?

At least a couple of times per semester, some seriously underperforming student would come to my office and tell me that I had to raise his grade so that he would not be on probation, lose a scholarship, not make the team or something. I always handed him a calculator and asked him to add up the grade.
It always came up with the grade I gave him/her. Then I explained that my grades were simply a reflection of how much Spanish he had learned as described in detail in the Course Syllabus, which I handed him a copy of. If that did not make him go away, then empecé a hablarle en español, para demostrarle qure no sabía la materia. That always made them go away.  I then conferred with all his other professors, and as a rule, he had made similar begging appeals to them as well. The scholarship was never an issue, as the GPA was generally below a 2.0 before he enrolled in my class, and therefore could never have had any scholarship.

I had the right to give the grades. I always explained how I calculated them orally and in the course syllabus, and followed the procedures exactly.
In 32 years, I had two cases before the grade dispute committee, which unanimously rejected them.
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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2016, 12:21:49 PM »
So, in other words, your policy wasn't "fluid".  It had specific parameters/rules, that the student had to abide by, regardless of their "plight in life", or how unfair it was for other students to have higher grades.

Thank you for that
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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2016, 03:39:29 PM »
I was a Spanish professor, not a social worker.
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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2016, 04:52:33 PM »
Not the point.  The Constitution and Rule of Law is neither a social contract nor "fluid".  It has specific parameters and rules to adhere to, and is to be applied fairly, to EVERYONE. 
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2016, 10:08:02 PM »

Did you ever meet a student that felt he had a right to a good grade , regardless his understanding or effort?

At least a couple of times per semester, some seriously underperforming student would come to my office and tell me ..................

I figured you would understand this concept .

Oxygen on a submarine , water in a desert , food on a small island and money in a bank.

Many things can fit this situation, when the numbers run low they proceed to run out.

There are some resources that are plentiful and we act as if they will always be so, this is sometimes an illusion.

    Working to preserve the scarce resource or increase the availability of money or preserve ones own health, is working in the right direction.

  Now imagine that you promised your whole class a good grade on day one , no qualifications , no earning required you have a right to a good grade and this is assurance that you will get it.

   Then there would not be only a few slackers every quarter, they would most of them spend their energy elsewhere.







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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2016, 12:00:19 AM »
That  does not sound like I would be any sort of successful teacher.

Students came to me in hopes of changing their grade AFTER the semester was over. I handed out regular summaries of performance in the class,. but those who skipped class did not get them.

What you seem to be saying has no relation to the reality of my situation.
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Re: Hitler felt the "Bern"
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2016, 09:18:22 PM »
That  does not sound like I would be any sort of successful teacher.

Students came to me in hopes of changing their grade AFTER the semester was over. I handed out regular summaries of performance in the class,. but those who skipped class did not get them.

What you seem to be saying has no relation to the reality of my situation.

This is fitting things that are different into larger concepts.

You held grade inflation in check, is grade inflation unrelated to economic ideas entirely?