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Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« on: January 29, 2016, 04:55:30 PM »
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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 12:12:13 AM »
  The FBI needs better cameras.

This is so low resolution that it does not absolve the marshals and agents of cold blooded murder.


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/01/fbi-lavoy-finicum-shooting-video-oregon/433899/

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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2016, 09:38:03 AM »
This is so low resolution that it does not absolve the marshals and agents of cold blooded murder.
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I agree that the resolution could be better. I think it was from a drone camera.
Of course, it was not what the camera saw from one angle, but what the FBI guy saw from were he was.

I put the odds at anyone getting a conviction at 99 to 1 against. IO doubt that anyone will even be disciplined.
The Feds knew all about Finicum, his guns and his desire to become some sort of martyr.
If he had got out of his car with his gun a-blazing, he might have managed to get at least one of them.
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The Feds were very patient with this crew of lawbreaking malcontents.
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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2016, 05:38:37 PM »
  Not as hasty as at Ruby Ridge or Waco, but that rebels get shot is not surprising.

   There are two guys in prison for a fire that they put out themselves , this is naked injustice and was the original reason for the protest.

    The agents that shot up Ruby Ridge and Waco and the agents that destroyed evidence at Ruby Ridge and Waco were not punished so you are probably right  that these agents will be OK also.

   I am glad that there was an aircraft camera, but surprised that in those dozen patrol cars none of the dashcams were pointed the right way.

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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2016, 08:48:12 PM »
The fool went there to become a martyr and his wish was fulfilled. He could have worn a bulletproof vest, but he didn't. Tough.
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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2016, 12:51:41 AM »
You don't think his life matters?

You don't wonder if he really made getting shot a necessity?

In Ferguson the facts were much easier to interpret.

Mr. Zimmerman's choice was much more clearly justified.

Why take the side of the law this time?

There would have been no harm to let this guy drive on, would there?

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2016, 09:30:02 AM »
Why should they have let him go?
Didn't he break the law? It was more serious that allowing that guy to continue selling loose cigarettes.

It is pretty clear that Finicum wanted exactly what he got. He was interviewed at the site and he said he was not leaving without as fight. So it is likely he would have provoked one elsewhere, and in a place where he was more likely to kill someone.  He came to become a martyr, and that is what he did, though I doubt that he will become a very effective symbol for what is an unsympathetic movement.

The main idea of this movement is that ranchers, most of whom are Mormons, using federal lands at low rates should be simply granted the ability to use the land for free and without restrictions. But Oregon, Utah and Nevada do not own these lands, and it would be an added burden to he states to police them. Endangered species would become extinct, the lands would be overgrazed and rendered useless for generations, all for the profits of a very few people whose use of these lands do not benefit anyone but themselves.

It would not have made any real difference to me, to tell the truth. I am simply explaining how the FBI considered their options. I am pretty sure that seizing and holding federal buildings in remote locations would have become a major strategy for this nutball movement.
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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2016, 09:29:12 PM »
Why should they have let him go?

Because that would have left everyone alive.

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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 09:46:01 AM »
So because this guy was a nut and was known to have a gun, they should let him just wander away, scot free?

He was the one who reached for the gun first.
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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 09:11:36 PM »

He was the one who reached for the gun first.

Is this clearly true?

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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 09:24:36 AM »
It looks that way.
More important, it seems to have looked that way to the guy who shot him.

No one will be convicted or lose their job over this.

Finicum was a nut who said he was not leaving alive. He got his wish.
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Re: Watch Gun Nut LaVoy Finicum get shot in slo-mo
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2016, 07:35:00 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chicago-officer-sues-estate-of-teen-he-shot-claiming-trauma/ar-BBpct3P?li=BBnb7Kz


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A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black 19-year-old college student and accidently killed a neighbor has filed a lawsuit against the teenager's estate, arguing the shooting left him traumatized.


     How dare he get injured and die when shot?