Is this racist

[kimba1]

Black live matter to my knowledge very briefly was say thier not anti-police. But since then I have never heard any pro-police comments. Mostly incidence that paint a highly negative image to the police. Once in awhile they will respond by pretty much saying they shouldn't repeat thier not anti-police.

I think they should repeatedly. Ever notice when a police officer get shot they never rally in support. In fact shortly after black live matter came to be two officers were killed in response to protesters actually chanting kill the police. To be fair after the incident they did stop saying that.

I call this the indignity of clarity.

[Plane]

And it is insulting to say that white lives matter too.

My understanding may be imperfect, but I see a real problem , the response to the problem not being any real help.

When there is a polarized "us vs them" situation going on , there is a very strong draw to support your own team.

The real solution might be to reduce the polarization , but that is hard to do.

[kimba1]

I may of misunderstood it. I thought this is a anti-police brutality group. but notice the subject of nonblack cases never get attentioned. the focus is mainly that some police are racist and will shoot unarmed black folks but the stats show some officers are jerks and will shoot anyone.

The problems with black live matter is the focus is so narrow that it will not fix a much bigger problem.

[Plane]

  I am not black .

I have had a very few uncomfortable encounters with police , nothing really bad.

I know two people that had real mistreatment, neither of them black.

It would be wrong of me to jump to the conclusion that black people are not bothered by the police just because the set of examples I know does not include this.

I understand the trouble of a small and skewed sample set.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/28/too-bad-to-check-new-york-cop-knocks-bicyclist-over-for-no-apparent-reason/comment-page-3/

This video is a famous example , there is no apparent racial hatred involved, but since the victim was chosen at random , there could have been apparent racial hatred , if the victim had been a different race.

Whether bad for racial reasons or other reasons , bad and cop is a terrible combination.


I think that without police we can't live in cities, so what is the way to get good ones?

[kimba1]

notice on this topic you do not think police brutality or similiar words only the issue of race. This does sound a stepping stone to getting good cops out on the streets.

Baltimore crime has gone up lately due to officers not arresting anymore not as protest but due not knowing can they arrest without getting in trouble despite its legal or not

[Xavier_Onassis]

The cop had no reason at all to shove the cyclist, who was doing nothing illegal and did not provoke him. (well, ,maybe he stuck his tongue out at the cop, but still).   Black Lives Matter means that Black people should not be harassed more by the cops than other people, which is not the case. In Ferguson,  a minority White government used the White cops to ticket Black drivers for the purpose of running the city.

[Plane]

Ok , but they can't start ignoring black people.

The answer is better police practices across the board.

Can we recruit a cadre of geniuses to be policeman?

[Xavier_Onassis]

These days, we are giving preferred status to cops with military experience. They require less training and have practiced shooting. But of course, a lot of them have also rather a lot of experience at busting down doors in the middle of the night and frogmarching people off to jail. That is what they did in iraq. So we need to be careful whom we hire.

[kimba1]

Thanks for bring up ferguson. The protest there was largely a anti-police brutality rally by white people tired getting harrased by police but the black lives matter group was not happy about the support. Not saying the racial focus was off but i didnt remember it really focus solely on black issues


It's not intelligence of officers that's the problem. Your talking about a job that requires a working knowledge  of various laws without looking up.  May not be geniuses but should be goid enough

[Xavier_Onassis]

The problem in Ferguson was that the local government was corrupt and incompetent. The police were ordered to aid and abet a system of  constant fines and traffic tickets used as revenue sources rather than public safety. The police were not to blame for what happened, but they were the point of contact between the corrupt city government and the victimized populace. Michael Brown was not protesting anything, he was an incidental catalyst that set off a spark that caused the disruption. Brown was a punk, and the cop was not good at dealing with punks. He should have staged a strategic withdrawal and called for backup.

[Plane]

The dead do not retreat.

[kimba1]

Now that you mention michael brown I don't recall his name or ferguson brought up now. As you pointed out as a martyr he's the least desirable.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Michael Brown was  common bully and shoplifter. The cop was unfortunately not prepared to cal for backup and deal with him effectively. No one should have been shot.