Disney Vs Georgia

[kimba1]

I did say I prefer said business were to post thier preference to deny certain anything

[Xavier_Onassis]

Perhaps they might like to have electricity or have emergency surgery or something. Perhaps they live in a small town where all the mechanics or dentists hate gays.

[sirs]

How the hell would a mechanic know what someone's sexual preferences were?  Or a dentist?  An ER Physician??  In what town, ANYWHERE in this country, is it supposedly 100% against homosexual marriage??

Are you incapable of rational thought??

[sirs]

I did say I prefer said business were to post thier preference to deny certain anything

And that's all well and good, Kimba.  Problem is we're talking about the Government forcing a compliance even if it goes directly against their 1st amendment religious freedom

Again, why would any homosexual couple ever want the services of someone or business that doesn't respect their choice.  I know why.  I bet you do too

[Xavier_Onassis]

In many small towns, everyone knows all sorts of things about others. Everyone graduated from the same high school.

The goal is to make discrimination based on sexual orientation illegal. The right to do bigoted actions should not be guaranteed, I agree that a preacher should not be forced to marry any couple he deems in acceptable, but this is already guaranteed. This Bigot Protection Act is not needed nor desirable. It is just a ploy to suck up to the bigots among the voters, like all the anti=Gay Marriage attempts that preceded it.

[sirs]

I've lived in small towns before.  Smallest was a town of no more than 900.  And I may have known perhaps less than 2% of what others did or knew.  That's TV you're referencing, supposedly "everyone knows everyone"

You're trying to conflate 2 arguments...(no surprise there).  The arguement is Government mandating that people and businesses are forced to repress their religious freedom for political correctness.  Forcing someone to participate in someone's gay function, is precisely that.  THAT is unconstitutional

You're trying to turn that as discrimination.  News flash, people and businesses have the freedom to say no to participating in some form of ceremony that runs counter to their religious beliefs.  What you're trying to connect is businesses that simply function, like dentistry, or mechanic, or pick whatever else line of work.  In the latter, the person or business providing the service is not participating in some gay function.  They have no knowledge of said person's sexual choices in life, nor shoud they.  They're simply providing a service.  THAT's the area you're using, and its already illegal for those folks to deny their service for said sexual choices.

See the difference??

The former, that Kimba & I & Plane have been discussing, is forcing people/businesses to participate in supporting their sexual choices.  The latter is not.  BIG difference 

[Xavier_Onassis]

You have no real point. I congratulate the governor  of Georgia for not being as bigoted as you are. The legislature's intent here was simply to get the bigots to the polls.

The freedom to discriminate should not be permitted. People are free to believe any damned thing they wish. It is ACT^S of discrimination that they should not have the right to commit if they are running any business open to the public. Business and religion are different entities: one is guaranteed a constitutional right, so a preacher may refuse sacraments to people who do not qualify, but baking cakes and taking photos are NOT religious acts, and should not be guaranteed.

[sirs]

Of course you have no point....it's been debunked.  The Freedom of Religious liberty is Constitutional, and shall not be infringed

[Xavier_Onassis]

Then why is this pro-bigot law even needed?

[Plane]

Then why is this pro-bigot law even needed?

So we can be more like Europe where a preacher can be jailed for the content of his sermon hewing too close to the scripture , or anyone who wants to refuse to believe as the government declares is proper and orthodox may be cost his freedom to say so.

Last I checked we can't outlaw the Communist party , the Nazi, or the Wobblies.

But we now can make them participate against their will in each others ceremonies.

Governor Deal   has succumbed to a severe case of acute stupid , I hope it isn't chronic.

Campbell first came to national attention in December 2008 when a local grocery store refused to inscribe a birthday cake for his infant son in the name “Adolf Hitler”: the German National Socialist dictator who initiated the Second World War and killed millions of innocent victims in European death camps in the 1930s and 40s. The ShopRite supermarket in Greenwich Township NJ refused to make a cake for Campbell’s son, who bore the name Adolf Hitler Campbell. Karen Meleta of ShopRite said of the controversy, "We believe the request ... to inscribe a birthday wish to Adolf Hitler is inappropriate."

http://www.speroforum.com/a/UVZFKBNIYX11/76618-NeoNazi-on-the-run-had-been-refused-Nazi-birthday-cake#.VvtDbP_2Yb0

This is a sad case in many respects, but was the bakery out of line to refuse to bake that cake ?
At the time they had that right.

It was nice while it lasted.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372650/why-bakers-should-be-free-discriminate-alec-torres

[sirs]

Then why is this pro-bigot law even needed?

There is no such law being proposed.  There is a law trying to be passed to protect individuals and businesses from being forced to support practices that they have a constitutional right to object to

[kimba1]

But would this only stop at sexual orientation. I cant predict what other subjects religions object to also note vaccines are frowned upon by certain christain groups also.

[sirs]

Speculation is simply that.  I'd need to see/hear of an example.  Presently, the issue is about those who chose sexual activities, that are seen as a sin in God's eyes.  Not sure where vaccines come into the discussion, since that's no where discussed in the bible

[Plane]

Is there supposed to be no limit?

Almost anyone would refuse to do something, and a lot of these things might not be allowed refusal anymore.

[Xavier_Onassis]

 Presently, the issue is about those who chose sexual activities, that are seen as a sin in God's eyes.  Not sure where vaccines come into the discussion, since that's no where discussed in the bible

 It is considered to be associated with the Jewish laws associated with blood.
When it comes to medicine, the Bible is quite stupid.