I want to talk about atheism

[Xavier_Onassis]

If all of God's children have a shot at Heaven, then this makes no sense,
It appears that Jesus is clearly discriminating here.
He never went out of his way to bother to speak to Gentiles.
If you want to be understood, speak clearly and lose the stupid parables.

[Plane]

   Amazing.

   Where is the scripture that says that scripture is understandable to everyone , or that it should be?

 Haven't I found for you three scriptures that say almost the opposite?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Where is the scripture that says that scripture is understandable to everyone , or that it should be?

 Haven't I found for you three scriptures that say almost the opposite?

Indeed you have.  That is why the scripture and Bible SUCK.

It is simple logic that if a loving deity wants to actually save people, he must be easily understood.

But this idea runs afoul or the main purpose of religion: to dominate society and stay afloat.

The goal of the priest is to be respected as someone who can daze and dazzle the believers with his  secret knowledge, "Only I can save you! without me and my church, temple, synagogue or other huge institution you are DOOMED! "

Although God is everywhere and forever, he still requires these ornate and expensive architectural structures to wow the peasants.

The Mumbo Jumbo must be Jumbo in order to perpetuate the dominance of the religion.

[Plane]

It is simple logic that if a loving deity wants to actually save people, he must be easily understood.

You would have to explain this a little more, I can't see its resemblance to logic.

[Xavier_Onassis]

If you cannot see the logic here, then you are incapable of logic.

[Plane]

It only raises questions , it does not answer any nor does it point to a logical process.

For example , would God want to save you even if you were totally incapable of understanding the process of salvation?

I don't think this impossible nor unscriptural.

Jesus's discussion of faith indicates that the faith of little children is the best kind, such that anything less is dangerous.

So what if the salvation God wants to hand you is totally incomprehensible to you and I, would our lack of sophistication make us impossible to save?

There are a lot of people who cannot explain an internal combustion engine , but by taking most of the workings on faith they learn to drive anyway.

What if salvation requires the understanding and power of God himself to produce , but is offered in a form that such as we may start and operate , not understanding every gear ratio or spark advance setting , but taking the mysterious part on faith?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Read what you wrote. It makes no sense at all.

[Xavier_Onassis]

So what if the salvation God wants to hand you is totally incomprehensible to you and I, would our lack of sophistication make us impossible to save?
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Why should it be totally incomprehensible?

Does Microsoft write programs that are incomprehensible to PC computers?

If God designed us, and is all-powerful, why would he make his major purpose for us incomprehensible?

That would totally make no sense.

[Plane]

So what if the salvation God wants to hand you is totally incomprehensible to you and I, would our lack of sophistication make us impossible to save?
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Does Microsoft write programs that are incomprehensible to PC computers?

Yes Microsoft writes programs that are incomprehensible to 90% or more of their customers.
These customers install them in their computers just following the instructions with faith .
Computers do not comprehend .

 How a computer flip flop circuit stores a bit to memory or how a set of binary numbers can be added in a function of Boolean Logic I do understand , in a rather basic way, I am not a real programmer.

   How a computer memory can be put on long term storage I get.

What a soul is made of and what a soul needs to last, I haven't got at all , even though I use one every day.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The point is that Microsoft writes software that can be run on ANY PC with the same specs.

A computer's ability to run software is analogous to a human comprehending something he has heard
or read.

You say that faith is required to be an atheist. If that is so, then it takes faith to disbelieve anything: unicorns, leprechauns, puppymonkeybabies.

The attitude of most atheists is "I will believe in a god when I see one", not absolute certainty that God does not exist.
 

[Plane]

 At present "comprehension " is not what computers do.

The software is a set of instructions as a paper tape is to a player piano.

Although the complexity of combined subroutines can be enormous, all that is ever happening is that switches are closing and opening in sequence.
 
The program is instructions for the switches to open and close.

The programmer must comprehend the purpose of the program , and mostly know how the system works.

The customer needs have much less comprehension, his following of instructions with faith in the programmers skill and comprehension gets his system to work without knowing what silicon is or what the clock speed must be.

Neither does the computer know what silicon is or what the clock speed must be, it just does as told.

So that is my imperfect analog of faith in action, meant to  illustrate that faith is needed where comprehension is impossible.

   Do you really have faith that there is no unicorn?

    Perhaps there is a unicorn, but he is not exactly as he has been described to you.

[Xavier_Onassis]

A  narwhal is not a unicorn. and that has nothing whatever to9 do with this topic.

[Plane]

  In what respect is a Narwhal not a unicorn?

[Xavier_Onassis]

In the respect that a narwhal is a sea creature and has no legs, no mane, and is similar only because it has a horn in its forehead.

Any one can easily see the difference.

Of course, a unicorn is imaginary,and a narwhal is not.

This has zero to do with the main discussion.

[Plane]

  So why bring them up?