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Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« on: April 27, 2016, 06:51:11 AM »
DENVER (AP) -- The Colorado Supreme Court on Monday declined to take up the case of a suburban Denver baker who refused to make a cake for a same-sex wedding, letting stand a previous ruling that the Masterpiece Cakeshop owner must provide service despite his Christian beliefs.

Charlie Craig and David Mullins, who were refused service by baker Jack Phillips in 2012, applauded the development.

Craig said they persisted with the case throughout a complicated legal process because they felt it was important to set the precedent that discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation was not only wrong but illegal.

"We didn't want anyone to have to go through what we did," Craig said.

Attorney Nicolle Martin, who represents Phillips, said they had not yet decided whether to ask Colorado's highest court to reconsider, or approach the U.S. Supreme Court. Martin says she is surprised the Colorado court would not consider the case.

"This is a matter that affects all Americans, not just people of faith," Martin said.

The seven-member Colorado Supreme Court said in a brief announcement that it decided as a group not to take up the case.

However, Chief Justice Nancy E. Rice and Justice Nathan B. Coats would have considered hearing arguments in several areas, including whether applying Colorado's anti-discrimination law to force Phillips to "create artistic expression" in the form of a wedding cake violated his constitutional free speech rights.

Phillips declined to make a cake for Craig and Mullins, who were married in Massachusetts and planned a celebration in Colorado. The couple filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, which ruled in December 2013 that Phillips discriminated against them and ordered him to change his store policy against making cakes for gay weddings or face fines. The Colorado Court of Appeals also ruled against him.

Phillips referred questions from The Associated Press to his lawyer Monday. He previously said he has no problem serving gay people at his store, but that making a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding would violate his Christian beliefs.

Such issues have been considered by courts and legislators across the country.

A new North Carolina law prevents local and state government from mandating protections for LGBT people in the private sector or at stores and restaurants. The law suffered a blow when a federal appeals court issued an opinion that threatens part of the law requiring students to use bathrooms in line with their gender at birth in public schools and universities.

Colorado lawmakers introduced a bill in February that would have blocked the state from taking any action that may burden a person's religious freedom unless it was the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling governmental interest. A House committee indefinitely postponed discussion on the bill.

Mullins, part of the Colorado couple denied a wedding cake, said he saw moves like the North Carolina legislature's as exceptions.

"We really feel like America is moving in the direction of accepting LGBT people," Mullins told the AP.
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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2016, 07:18:09 AM »

"We really feel like America is moving in the direction of accepting LGBT people.Because when they don't we will sue the pants off them"

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2016, 07:23:04 AM »
Phillips declined to make a cake for Craig and Mullins, who were married in Massachusetts and planned a celebration in Colorado.


I didn't know this part.

What did they do , shop every bakery in the nation until they found one all the way out west that would refuse them?
 

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2016, 10:37:01 AM »
More likely that store has been turning down service for years and eventually it caught up with them. Meaning this incident was going to happen if they kept doing a business that involves weddings in colorado.

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2016, 01:02:41 PM »
This was, as Kimba says, a test case.

Nothing involving wedding cakes is of serious consequence to anyone in reality.
I can side with the gay couple here, but this is not a big deal so long as wedding cakes are the "right" that is disputed.

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2016, 01:35:47 PM »
Looking forward to the class action lawsuit to be filed against Springsteen now, for failing to provide a service he had pledged to provide, but decided against it based on some apparent moral beliefs
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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2016, 05:07:12 PM »
It all depends on the contract.  You may wait forever.
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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2016, 05:21:52 PM »
actually this may have some far reaching potential. not about rights or anything related to that. we`re talking about deva musicians and glass jaw concert cancellations.  I gave up going to concerts because I got tired of risking my job the next day if they don`t feel like playing and we wasted our time waiting. at least the boss gave notice. if thiers a serious lawsuit it may hopefully give other musicians pause because they flake for way lamer reasons.

we all know most musicains would make vastly more money if they actually show up.

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2016, 05:52:59 PM »
It all depends on the contract.  You may wait forever.

Kinda like you and the 2nd Amendment?
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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2016, 08:34:22 PM »
It all depends on the contract.  You may wait forever.

No , if we are really getting rid of the first amendment , it will be gone for us all.

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2016, 08:37:28 PM »
More likely that store has been turning down service for years and eventually it caught up with them. Meaning this incident was going to happen if they kept doing a business that involves weddings in colorado.

No.

Homosexual weddings are a recent enough development that no one can have a years long history of trying to stay away from them.

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2016, 11:06:05 PM »
It all depends on the contract.  You may wait forever.

No , if we are really getting rid of the first amendment , it will be gone for us all.

BINGO!!
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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2016, 09:19:43 AM »
Once more, there is no fucking bingo.
 Baking cakes or refusing to bake them is NOT a form of speech.
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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2016, 10:55:37 AM »
Should a Black baker be required by law to bake a cake for a Klu-Klux-Klan event?

Should an American Palestinian baker be required by law to bake a cake for an Orthodox Jewish couple
getting married that are moving to an Israeli West Bank settlement after the wedding?

Should a gay baker be required by law to bake a cake for a traditional marriage conference?

Should an American Muslim baker be required by law to bake cakes for gay weddings?

Should an American Jewish baker be required by law to bake cakes for a Nazi convention?

Should a Black Lives Matter baker be required by law to bake cakes for a Baltimore Police Officers Picnic?

Should a Pro-Choice baker be required by law to bake a cake for a Pro Life conference?



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Re: Colorado Supreme Court says: Let them eat cake
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2016, 11:31:07 AM »
If they want to be licensed and permitted to run a business open to the public, absolutely.
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