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The Donald's biggest lies, all in one place
« on: May 08, 2016, 07:14:47 AM »
All of Donald Trump’s Four-Pinocchio ratings, in one place
By Glenn Kessler March 22
 
Donald Trump. (Chuck Burton/AP)
There’s never been a presidential candidate like Donald Trump — someone so cavalier about the facts and so unwilling to ever admit error, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. At last count, 68 percent (26 of 38) of our rulings of his statements turned out to be Four Pinocchios, our worst rating. By contrast, most politicians tend to earn Four Pinocchios 10 to 20 percent of the time. (Moreover, most of the remaining ratings for Trump are Three Pinocchios.)

As a reader service, here’s a running list of our Four Pinocchio rulings. Since Trump never takes anything back — and often repeats the same false claims — voters are likely to hear these time and again during the campaign season. As an “honorable mention,” we also included a column in which we gave a Geppetto Checkmark to attacks ads disputing Trump’s claims about Trump University.

Click on the headline to read the original column.

Donald Trump’s false comments connecting Mexican immigrants and crime

Donald Trump repeatedly defended his claim that the Mexican government is sending criminals and rapists to the United States. But a range of studies shows there is no evidence immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans. Moreover, the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants in prison do not belong in the category that fit Trump’s description: aggravated felons, whose crimes include murder, drug trafficking or illegal trafficking of firearms.
 

Trump’s bogus claim that he never said ‘some of the things’ claimed by Megyn Kelly

Fox News host Megyn Kelly asked Donald Trump a pointed question about his verbal treatment of women. On the Sunday shows, Trump refused to apologize — and further asserted that Kelly lists things he did not say. But there is ample evidence for each of the slurs against women uttered or tweeted by Trump. He had a small point that he attacks once he is provoked, but there is little doubt that the over-the-top language cited by Kelly was correct.
 

Trump’s zombie claim that Obama spent $4 million to conceal school and passport records

Trump, one of the most high-profile “birthers” during the 2012 presidential campaign, resurfaced this zombie claim that President Obama spent $4 million in legal fees to conceal records that would indicate his true citizenship. There is no proof that Obama spent $4 million in legal fees (personally or through his campaign) to keep his school application or passport application records away from the public. Federal campaign finance records show from 2008 through 2012, the Obama for America campaign paid more than $4 million in legal services to Perkins Coie, the law firm that defended the campaign in some of the eligibility lawsuits. But campaigns have in-house and outside counsel to vet a wide range of issues, not just those related to lawsuits.
 

Trump’s absurd claim that the ‘real’ unemployment rate is 42 percent

Trump’s made a ridiculous leap in logic to come up with his claim that the “real” unemployment rate was 42 percent — at a time when the official rate was 5.3 percent. He took an estimate for the number of people not working — 93 million — and assumed they were all unemployed. But the vast majority of those people do not want to work. Most are retired or simply not interested in working, such as stay-at-home parents. Even a President Trump would be unable to make much of a dent in this supposed 42-percent unemployment rate, given that most of the Americans he is counting as “unemployed” are not in the labor force by choice.
 

Trump’s tax plan and his claim that ‘it’s going to cost me a fortune’

Trump pitched his tax plan as being tough on the wealthy, saying “it’s going to cost me a fortune.” Trump has not released his tax forms — though he claims he made $604 million in 2014. In going through the details of his plan, it appears clear that it would significantly reduce his taxes — and the taxes of his heirs. This was later confirmed by an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.


Trump’s repeated claim that Obama is accepting 200,000 Syrian refugees

Like a broken record, businessman Donald J. Trump keeps repeating a statistic with little basis in fact — that the Obama administration wants to accept 200,000 refugees from Syria. It appears to be based on a misunderstanding — the Obama administration says it planned to admit 185,000 refugees over two years from all countries. For Syria, Obama has only directed the United States to accept at least 10,000 Syrian refugees in the next year. Ironically, that’s a number that Trump indicated was fine.
 

Trump’s baseless claim that the Bush White House tried to ‘silence’ his Iraq War opposition in 2003

Trump brags that he had the vision and foresight to oppose the Iraq War ahead of the invasion in 2003. He says his opposition was so vocal, and his reach so great, that the White House approached him and asked him to tone it down. There is scant media coverage of his supposed opposition ahead of the Iraq War. (We later compiled a complete timeline of Trump’s comments in 2002 and 2003 about the Iraq invasion, which showed he was not vocal about his opposition prior to the invasion, and they didn’t make headlines.) Trump ignored our request for the names of White House officials he supposedly met with, so we checked with former senior White House officials. None of the dozen people we contacted directly or through former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer could recall a meeting with Trump, concerns about his opposition, or even Trump’s views being on their radar prior to 2004.


Repeat after me: Obama is not admitting 100,000, 200,000 or 250,000 Syrian refugees

Trump had previously earned Four Pinocchios for falsely claiming President Obama was planning to admit 200,000 refugees from war-torn Syria. (The real number is 10,000; a total of 180,000 refugees from around the world will be admitted in 2016 and 2017.) Undeterred, Trump upped the number to 250,000 — and fellow novice politicians Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson followed up with claims of 100,000 refugees from Syria. All three earned Four Pinocchios.
 

Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks

GOP presidential hopeful Trump falsely and repeatedly asserted that he saw TV clips of “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the collapse of the World Trade Center after the 9/11 attacks. Despite an army of fact checks, including ours, and repeated debunking, Trump continued to assert he was correct, even though he could produce no evidence except a handful of news stories that made brief mentions of alleged celebrations — which never could be confirmed. He earned Four Pinocchios. Ben Carson, another GOP aspirant, briefly said he, too, had seen such a video. But to his credit, he withdrew the statement after realizing it was of Palestinians in Gaza, not New Jersey.
 

Trump’s false claim that the 9/11 hijackers’ wives ‘knew exactly what was going to happen’

In the wake of the shootings in San Bernardino, Calif., involving a Muslim couple, Trump has emerged with the claim that the 9/11 hijackers sent their wives home before the attacks — and those wives knew “exactly what was going to happen.” But there is no support for Trump’s claims, as the exhaustive 9/11 Commission report states that virtually all of the hijackers were unmarried.  The report includes a number of references to the hijackers cutting off communication with their families: “The other operatives had broken off regular contact with their families. …The majority of these Saudi recruits began to break with their families in late 1999 and early 2000. …[The ringleader] complained that some of the hijackers wanted to contact their families to say goodbye, something he had forbidden.”
 

Trump’s claim that he ‘predicted Osama bin Laden’

In various speeches and interviews, Trump has claimed that two years before the 9/11 attacks, he warned that Osama bin Laden was a threat — going to “do damage” to the United States — and even predicted the rise of terrorism. This claim rests on some vague references in a book he published in 2000. The references have little relationship to how Trump portrays them now — and he ignores the fact that well before 9/11, experts, news organizations and even bin Laden himself said he planned to attack the United States.
 

Trump’s claim that the unemployment rate is 23 percent

After falsely asserting the “real” unemployment rate was 42 percent, Trump suddenly tossed out a new estimate of “22 to 23 percent.” But this was also wrong. His figure is still more than double the most expansive rate published by the U.S. government, which at the time was 9.9 percent. That means there are about 35 million “unemployed” who Trump has not accounted for — and as usual the Trump campaign refused to explain how he came up with his estimate.
 

Trump’s dubious claim that his border wall would cost $8 billion

After Trump put a price tag on the wall he wants to build on the 2,000-mile border with Mexico — $8 billion — we investigated whether this figure was in the realm of possibility. We concluded it was not — and after the fact check appeared, Trump increased the projected cost to $12 billion. That’s still too low. A reasonable estimate is $25 billion.


Trump’s truly absurd claim he would save $300 billion a year on prescription drugs

Trump said that he would allow Medicare to negotiate directly with drug companies, thus saving $300 billion a year. This made little sense, given that the prescription drug portion of the Medicare program costs only $78 billion a year. Total annual spending on prescription drugs in the United States is between $298 and $423 billion, which suggests Trump thinks he can eliminate virtually any cost to prescription drugs. Once again, we are confronted with a nonsense figure from the mouth of Donald Trump.
 

A trio of truthful attack ads about Trump University

This is in effect a reverse Four-Pinocchio rating, as we presented a rare Geppetto Checkmark to three ads attacking Trump’s involvement with Trump University. We concluded that Trump University appears to have been a classic bait-and-switch operation, designed to lure people into paying increasing sums of money. We also examined Trump’s false claim that Trump University received an “A” rating from the Better Business Bureau, when in fact its rating was D- before it started winding down. The BBB even felt compelled to dispute Trump after he made this claim again during a debate.
 

Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father

Trump often says he started his business empire with just a $1 million loan from his father. But that is simply not credible. He appears to have inherited about $40 million. He also benefited from numerous loans and loan guarantees, as well as his father’s connections, to make the move into Manhattan. His father set up lucrative trusts to provide steady income. When Trump became overextended in the casino business, his father bailed him out with a shady casino-chip loan — and Trump also borrowed $9 million against his future inheritance. While Trump asserts “it has not been easy for me,” he glosses over the fact that his father paved the way for his success — and that his father bailed him out when he got into trouble.
 

Trump’s false claim that John Kasich ‘helped’ Lehman Brothers ‘destroy the world economy’

Trump blamed Ohio Gov. John Kasich for the collapse of the investment banking firm and helping start a global financial crisis, but it was a preposterous claim. Kasich was one of about 700 managing directors at Lehman Brothers and largely played a facilitator role, using his experience in government regulations and contacts in various sectors. He gave strategic financial advice to other companies and generated business by using his contacts in various sectors — not making risky mortgage investments. Kasich’s former boss at Lehman equated this attack by Trump to blaming a pilot for the failure of Trump Airlines.
 

Trump’s trade rhetoric, stuck in a time warp

We examined a series of Trump statements on trade, manufacturing and currency manipulation, in essence fact checking the economic world that he depicts in his speeches — a world in which the United States never wins at trade and is flooded by imports because China and Japan keep their currencies low, a world in which high tariffs would bring manufacturing back to Michigan and other states. We concluded that Trump appears to have little understanding of the economic reality of today’s interconnected world.
 

Trump’s smear of Time magazine as the source for his ‘facts’

In a contentious interview with a conservative radio host, Trump was quizzed on claims he made about Wisconsin at a time when Gov. Scott Walker (R) was still a presidential contender, in particular the false claim that under Walker the state had gone from a $1 billion surplus to a $2.2 billion deficit. Trump refused to apologize, saying the blame should be placed on Time Magazine; he claimed he was simply quoting the magazine. But we could find little evidence for Trump’s claim. While Time at one point has mentioned a $2 billion budget “shortfall,” that was different than Trump’s phrasing. Moreover, the budget issue had already been resolved two weeks before Trump started making the claim—and he didn’t change it even after being called out by fact checkers.
 

Trump’s nonsensical claim he can eliminate $19 trillion in debt in eight years

In an interview with The Washington Post, Trump asserted he could eliminate the nation’s $19 trillion in debt in just eight years, apparently through renegotiating trade deals. Using federal budget data, we demonstrated why Trump’s pledge is mathematically impossible. First, he has to eliminate the deficit that is adding to the debt year after year. (That is projected to add another $7 trillion in debt by 2024.) Even if Trump eliminated every government function and shut down every Cabinet agency, he’d still be $16 trillion short. Unfortunately, we only had Four Pinocchios to give for this whopper.
 

Donald Trump’s false claim that there have been no negative ads against Kasich

It’s fine to say far more ads have aired attacking Trump than John Kasich, but Trump went even further to say that no ads have attacked Kasich. That’s just not true. In fact, his own campaign has run an ad attacking Kasich. Attack ads sponsored by candidate committees and outside groups were fairly consistent earlier in the primary cycle, especially ones contrasting his record to other governors in the race.
 

Trump’s false claim that the Islamic State is ‘making a fortune’ on Libyan oil

Trump asserted that the Islamic State terror group had seized the oil in Libya and “is making a fortune now” in the country. But analysts said this is completely false. ISIS has attacked oil fields and destroyed equipment but it has not captured any – or even sought to control the fields. At best one can say ISIS has disrupted the flow of oil. But it is certainly not making any money from such tactics.
 

Trump’s claim that no foreign leader greeting Obama was ‘without precedent’

Trump claimed that the fact that President Obama traveled to Saudi Arabia and Cuba and was not greeted at the airport by the country’s leader was “without precedent.’ But we found numerous examples of this happening under Obama – and previous presidents. We don’t know where Trump comes up with this stuff, but once again he’s wrong, wrong, wrong.
 

Trump’s false claim that ‘scores of recent migrants’ in the U.S. are charged with terrorism

It’s unclear where Trump is getting this information but it appears to be a bungled reference to a list issued by a Senate office concerning 30  foreign-born individuals who were arrested on charges relating to terrorism in recent years. But the majority of the 30 cases involved naturalized U.S. citizens — people who came to the U.S. as children or had arrived before 2011. There is no evidence that “scores” of “recent migrants” are charged with terrorism.


No, Putin did not call Donald Trump ‘a genius’

Trump likes to brag that Russian president Vladmir Putin has “called me a genius.” But Putin said no such thing. The Russian president used a Russian word that means “colorful” or “lively” or even “flamboyant.” A handful of news organizations used the word “bright,” but not in the sense of intelligent. As usual, Trump stretched the meaning even further.


Trump’s false claim that the National Enquirer story on Cruz’s father was not denied

Donald Trump refused to apologize for citing a thinly sourced National Enquirer article alleging that Ted Cruz’s father, Rafael, worked with Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President John F. Kennedy. Part of the reason, he said, was because it had not been denied. But actually, Cruz himself denounced Trump’s claim, calling the businessman a “pathological liar.” The Cruz campaign also dismissed the story as “garbage” and “false” when the Miami Herald published an article on it on April 22 — 11 days before Trump gave it national currency on Fox News. Meanwhile, reports in The Washington Post, PolitiFact, FactCheck.Org and CNN all had concluded the story was hogwash.

 
Donald Trump’s ridiculous claim that Hillary Clinton started the birther movement

On the day Trump became the presumptive GOP nominee, he resurrected a zombie claim that has previously been debunked by fact checkers. The allegation that Clinton was the first, or even one of the first, to question President Obama’s birth certificate is simply false. Trump would be on safer ground if he blamed her supporters for stoking the birther rumors, since in spring 2008, some of Clinton’s supporters began circulating anonymous emails questioning Obama’s citizenship. But there’s no evidence that Clinton or her campaign questioned Obama’s birth certificate.


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Re: The Donald's biggest lies, all in one place
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2016, 09:14:51 AM »
Trump is a blowhard and a fraud.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 07:04:07 AM »
  Is there evidence that the illegal immigrants are committing fewer crimes than the general population?
  I mean aside from the certainty that each and every one of them violated our immigration laws.

    Even if the rate is exactly the same as the general population , this would represent thousands of crimes we would really rather see happen south of the border.

    This one is pretty weak and I am out of time , I may read further later today.
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Donald Trump repeatedly defended his claim that the Mexican government is sending criminals and rapists to the United States. But a range of studies shows there is no evidence immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans. Moreover, the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants in prison do not belong in the category that fit Trump’s description: aggravated felons, whose crimes include murder, drug trafficking or illegal trafficking of firearms.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 12:26:11 PM »
No one is going to deport 11 million people, whether it is justifiable or not.
Mexico does not send us people: they send themselves. Just as American criminals flee the country , some heading for Mexico, Mexican criminals do the same, some fleeing to the US. But this is not sponsored by Mexico or its government.

NAFTA made small plot cultivation of two major staples of the Mexican diet, corn and beans, unprofitable, and farmers in Oaxaca, Chiapas and Michoacan  stopped growiung them for sale because they could not compete.
A high percentage of illegals are less educated people from these states in Mexico. If such people apply for legal residency, the US Embassy will stick them with a large non-refundable filing fee and then, after three or four months, deny them a visa. They come illegally because they are refused legal entry.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 01:52:39 PM »
No one is going to deport 11 million people.

There is no need to deport anyone.
They will self-deport.
It's ridiculous to assume they can only travel one way.
That is more liberal illogical non-sense...
Oh they can get here...but oh no..there is no way they could go back where they came from....yeah sure...lol
If they could not get jobs, could not get any benefits, they would leave the same way they came.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 02:11:15 PM »
They will NOT 'self-deport'. Perhaps a few will lose a jobs and leave, I'd say under a million.
The stupid wall will not work, but it will never be built,and of course Mexico would NEVER pay for it,
Trump will lose and the GOP will go down in flames.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 02:15:30 PM »
They will NOT 'self-deport'. Perhaps a few will lose a jobs and leave, I'd say under a million.

Uh?
Most will leave if they can not get jobs and can not get benefits.
They will have no choice but to leave.
Without jobs and without benefits they will leave.
Same way they came in....it isn't a one way street.
What would be the point of staying without any way to sustain themselves?
Adios invaders!
Adios new invaders!

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 08:36:59 PM »
They will NOT be fired, because they are needed, Their bosses will not fire them.
Trump will never be given the power to punish those that hire illegals, Congress will not give it to him.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2016, 10:49:14 PM »
Trump will never be given the power to punish those that hire illegals, Congress will not give it to him.

No the people will.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 08:40:06 AM »
No,the people will not. There is no chance that a  Congress with a majority of pro-Trump Reps, and Senators will be elected. Here is what will happen: Trump will get in a stupid argument with one or more members of the House and/or Senate. He will be rude and insulting, and he will lose. This will go on until a new Congress is selected. Voters will punish Trump for being a juvenile, tantrum throwing ass,  then things will get worse.

But this won't happen because Trump will not be elected.

No one is going to evict eleven million people from this country. Congress will not fund it.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 08:09:59 PM »
  Congress funds some pretty big things, and they have done worse in the past.

    It might be better to annex Mexico than to try to remove Mexicans from the  US but annexing Mexico would be even more costly than eviction of illegal aliens.

     Still it could possibly be worthwhile either way.

     Whether congress will or won't fund eviction of illegal aliens is a poor question, because it skips a step.

     What do the  People of the United States want ? How does this get congressman elected and reelected?

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 11:12:27 AM »
What do the  People of the United States want ? How does this get congressman elected and reelected?

Which congressman are you referring to?
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Most people are not single issue voters. They may vote for a guy because he attracted a defense plant or financed a highway or bridge or a set of things. In addition he may want to deport people.

Expelling 11 million people and deporting them would be very expensive and emotional. Many people would appear on the nightly news that a majority of Americans would think deserve to be here. No one wants to see children separated from their parents even once, let alone every night. Think about it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2016, 01:08:04 PM »
Whether congress will or won't fund eviction of illegal aliens

For the most part Congress won't need to fund a self-deport.

Of course to set an "American Citizens First" plan in place there would be some relatively minor costs.
And Mexico will be paying for the wall to discourage most new illegal invaders.

I can not understand why is it always taken as gospel that there is ONLY a one way street in to the US...but no way out.

These illegal invaders would self-deport the same way they came in.

You can't claim "we cant stop them from coming in, but there is no way they could go back the other way".

It's ridiculous and defies logic.

No jobs/no benefits...equals self deport.

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2016, 01:43:00 PM »
It is absurd to believe that people will self deport. Another GOP myth like lowering taxes on businesses will raise revenues.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2016, 01:44:20 PM »
Enforce current immigration laws, including fining, if not incarcerating those company heads that knowingly hire illegal immigrants + legislation that makes it clear only LEGAL immigrants and citizens of the U.S. are qualified to received tax payer supported assistance, healthcare, & education, and watch just how fast they self deport.  No expelling or deportation necessary, and no cost to the tax payers
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