Death penalty for homosexuality....it's not radical Islam.....it is Islam.

[Christians4LessGvt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2QevndGLg

[kimba1]

isn`t it a crime just to be one in russia also.

it`s the reason the olympics in russia got abit sketchy do the players might get arrested

[kimba1]

one more add i think a law was proposed to lightly beat wives if they do not do certain things like dressup


http://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-06-02/pakistani-group-proposes-bill-allowing-men-to-lightly-beat-their-wives-sets-off-a-twitter-campaign-empowering-women

[Christians4LessGvt]

isn`t it a crime just to be one in russia also.

i dunno
but being a crime and being killed are not even close

[Xavier_Onassis]

Most Muslims do not kill or punish homosexuals. They tend to ignore them. Just as Christians tended ot ignore them unless they make a big deal of it, as Oscar Wilde did.

The fact is, Islam is as intolerant as fundamentalist Christianity, but there is no solution to the problem that Islam exists.
There is very little chance that it will be reformed from the inside, and even less that it will be reformed from the outside.
Unlike Catholicism, which has a pope, Islam has no single leader to say "Who am I to judge?"

Extermination is out of the question. Not only is it highly immoral, it is ineffective: Hitler did not do away with the Jews. The Turks did not do away with the Armenians, and have never resolved their differences with the Kurds, who are fellow Sunni Muslims with  different languages  (there are a variety of Kurdist languages) slightly different customs and fashion sense.

So even if we ignore the fact that genocide is morally wrong, extermination would likely just create martyrs and would be unsuccessful.

Islam will become irrelevant to a majority of Muslims, just as the Roman Catholic Church has become irrelevant to many Catholics, who now practice birth control, get divorced and have abortions, no matter what the Holy Mother Church says.


 

[Plane]

Most Muslims do not kill or punish homosexuals. They tend to ignore them. Just as Christians tended ot ignore them unless they make a big deal of it, as Oscar Wilde did.

The fact is, Islam is as intolerant as fundamentalist Christianity, but there is no solution to the problem that Islam exists.
There is very little chance that it will be reformed from the inside, and even less that it will be reformed from the outside.
Unlike Catholicism, which has a pope, Islam has no single leader to say "Who am I to judge?"

Extermination is out of the question. Not only is it highly immoral, it is ineffective: Hitler did not do away with the Jews. The Turks did not do away with the Armenians, and have never resolved their differences with the Kurds, who are fellow Sunni Muslims with  different languages  (there are a variety of Kurdist languages) slightly different customs and fashion sense.

So even if we ignore the fact that genocide is morally wrong, extermination would likely just create martyrs and would be unsuccessful.

Islam will become irrelevant to a majority of Muslims, just as the Roman Catholic Church has become irrelevant to many Catholics, who now practice birth control, get divorced and have abortions, no matter what the Holy Mother Church says.

When is this going to happen?

There are going to be casualties until...

[Xavier_Onassis]

I would say 40 years or so.
This depends on the rate at which people are wired into the Internet.

Islam as founded by Mohammad, is a very stable, static system for a society.
Unification of the entire population around a common belief and obedience to that belief make for stability.
But of course, that does not allow for change. Western medicine meant that people lived longer. Western technology: washing machines, phones, radio, TV, airplanes, railroads, bus lines, all are disruptive to the static society Mohammad created.

In Brazil, when electricity came to the poor people of the sertaos (backwoods) TV came with it, and so did telenovelas. The birthrate went from 7 to 2 children per woman in 10 years or so.

[Plane]

  I think you are pointing at the very thing that a lot of them would like to prevent.

[kimba1]

In the history of islam at one time the middle east was at the center of the universe and was the top in arts,science, etc.

But now not so much and abit of it by choice .so possibly people will get annoyed of being denied of things. Ex pakistan has buildings from the 70's to remind them of what once was.

[Xavier_Onassis]

at one time the middle east was at the center of the universe and was the top in arts,science, etc.

That is largely a myth: China and India were more advanced. So was Byzantium, before the Turks trashed it in 1453.
Islam was good at geometric graphic art. It prohibited the depiction of people and animals, and even when the ban was defied, the art was not up to European, Chinese or Japanese standards. Iranian paintings are sort of like Grandma Moses' stuff. Islamic music has never caught on outside of the Islamic world. Almost no one reads the novels of the Muslim world in the West. There are some great jazz musicians in Mali. There are minor influences of Islamic music in some of Angelica Kidjo's stuff. For the most part, Islamic music is popular only in Muslim countries.

What the Muslims did was preserve the writings of the Greeks. For the most part, they did not expand on it.
Read Maimonides and you will see what I mean.

Islamic culture in the arts has not had much influence outside its geographical area.
 

[kimba1]

could of sworn they did much in areas of math and science. but I`m not saying the religion was a factor but that as time goes on the shift to go away from progress is notable . personally some of the most intellictually curious people I know are muslims. definately no slouch in the brains dept. racially speaking.


meaning not people to underestimate

[Plane]

Algebra is significant.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I agree that algebra is significant.

The Muslims became good at math for two reasons:
(1) navigation across seas and deserts using the stars. Useful for both trade and spreading the faith.
(2) In every mosque there is a place called the quibla that points toward Mecca.

Allah was Great but apparently, if the noses of the faithful were off by a degree or so, their prayers would just spiral off into oblivion and would never reach Allah, who was expecting them in Mecca (first Jerusalem, actually: a second revelation changed the desired destination of prayers to Mecca.

Allah, judging from this, is apparently NOT omniscient and omnipotent, or he would hear one's prayers even if the believer was so confused that his butt faced Mecca.

So it was very important that the qibla be in the proper place, lest the mosque be defective in its purpose.

But most of what the Muslims used to figure out algebra they learned from the Western pagan thinkers like Euclid or the Hindus.

I would wager that in many a mosque, the quibla is in the wrong place, Religious people as a group tend to suck at math.

[Plane]

Isaac Newton would not agree.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am not talking about the masters of Muslim math, I am talking about the architects that actually built mosques in less important towns.
I imagine that major mosques would probably be well designed, but the educational level in Muslim communities has always been limited to a few specialists.
The epitome of Muslim learning is memorizing the Koran. If you do this, you get the title Hafez bestowed upon you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafiz_(Quran)

It is certainly a feat to memorize the Koran or any book, but it doesn't make anyone a master at math or science or the arts ort much of anything.