The Big Lie

[Xavier_Onassis]

One of Dr Joseph Goebbels favorite tactics was what is called "the Big Lie". The politician says something so outrageous as to be unbelievable and continues to repeat it until a sizable minority also believes it. One example was the lie that the Jews caused the Germans to lose WWI at the point where they were actually winning.

Trumps' latest Big Lie is that somehow Barack Hussein Obama (note the use of the middle name) and Hillary FOUNDED Isis . Neither of them is a Muslim, neither of them speaks Arabic, neither of them spent enough time in Iraq to do this nefarious deed. Forget all the Isis fighters who Obama has had killed in military actions. Forget that it is well known how Isias came to power and the process has been aired on Frontline: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/rise-of-isis/

Forget that the actual founder is well known:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

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[sirs]

The left simply has a pathological inability to grasp context.  Obama is absolutely the founder of ISIS, in that his ACTIONS led to its mutation from a supposed JV team, to the global terrorist organization it is now.  Everyone with a rational neuron, gets that.  But the left, desperate in every way imaginable, has to parse it as if he was talking literally....as if Obama met up with folks in Afghanistan and started up ISIS, while talking cards and women at a card table with a bunch of AlQueada higher-ups.  It's identical to how the left tried to mutate "Mission accomplished", when Bush Jr was celebrating the mission accomplished of deposing Saddam

You folks are so transparent

[Xavier_Onassis]

What caused Isis to change from a smaller group to a larger one was the utter cowardice of the Iraqi Army, who captured tons of weapons and ammo with hardly a fight. And that was NOT Obama's fault.

If you think Obama created Isis you are a drooling idiot.

This is a Big Lie, as I said. Nazi propaganda from our most prominent German American.

[sirs]

No, what changed ISIS from JV to the Pittsburg Steelers, was being given the green light to expand with the clear timeline Obama gave of our pulling out.  OUR policies lauched this monster.  OUR policies of withdrawl.  OUR policies trying to play nice nice.  OUR policies, as in OBAMA's policies...as in CLINTON's policies.  Neither I nor Trump are claiming that Obama literally founded ISIS, merely gave it all the fuel & motivation it needed to mutate into the global monster its become

[Xavier_Onassis]

That is PRECISELY what Trump said. He did not mention Al Baghdadi even once.
Again the documentary I posted explains what really happened.

You enjoy ignorance sooooooo much, sirs.

[sirs]

EVERYONE heard what Trump said.  And EVERYONE with a rational grasp of language and context also knew what he meant

Propoganda, as its defined, is trying to claim something that simply isn't...such as Trump claiming that Obama literally founded ISIS.  Good gravy

[Xavier_Onassis]

That is PRECISELY with your hero Trump said:  Obama founded Isis.
Now he claims it is sarcasm.

Why should we elect a president that shoots off his mouth in such idiotic ways? This is what Goebbels called The Big Lie, again.
And, as I predicted, you fell for it.

Trump is going to lose, and lose big, because he spews hate, sarcasm and idiocy.
With any luck he will take the worthless GOP down with him, Samson in the Temple fashion.

[sirs]

Yes, he said founded, but even an idiot would grasp the context in which he gave it.  Leave it to the lunatic left, to transcend even the realm of idiocy, in trying to play the literal card

[Xavier_Onassis]

The context in which he said it was in the context of "This is blatantly untrue and there is not one shred of truth to it, but I know you followers are numbskulls who will believe anything."

Do we actually want a president that deliberately spews lies that are entirely demonstrably untrue? Trump reminds me of the spokesman that Saddam had that  did precisely the same thing.

Do we need a president that thinks this sort of shit can be excused by calling it "sarcasm"?\

It is not sarcasm: it is lying like a rug.

[sirs]

...you're entitled to your opnion, but not your own version facts.  ISIS exploded under Obama. The CONTEXT in which Trump made his founded comments is 100% accurate....ISIS came to be the monster that it presently is, thru the policies of Obama & Clinton.  That's just a fact.  What was once a supposed JV team, that Obama claimed was nothing to even spend a 2nd thought on, has become a raging global terrorist moster, HARDLY contained or controlled....just the opposite. 

Is it any wonder that Obama & Clinton pushed "the Big Lie" that the Benghazi attack was caused by out of control protesters to some video.  Couldn't be having the truth run amuck, right before an election

[Plane]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-echoed-again-by-us-foe-as-hezbollah-cites-obama-is-theme/ar-BBvCmfY?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE12DHP


These things do get around.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am entitled to tell you that Trump is a Fascist and full of shit and so are you.

So here it is:

Trump is a a Fascist.

You are full of shit.

[sirs]

Feel better?

Here's a news flash, your opinion is nothing more than that, and doesn't trump the FACT that ISIS became a monster under Obama's & Clinton's policies....IE FOUNDED them, in that context. 

You love to try and hold Bush & Condi Rice to some condemning standard, merely because 911 tool place "under their watch" (ignoring of course that they hadn't even been in office a year, nor can point to anything they should have seen/known prior to 911, that would have prevented it.  Using YOUR parameters, ISIS became this monster "UNDER OBAMA'S AND CLINTON'S WATCH", made more so by the fact, that years of policy helped build it

So you can spew Trump is a fascist, an ego wretched blowhard, all you want.  Doesn't make it so, or refute what Trump has accurately inferred in both Obama & Clinton, but as long as it makes you feel better, have at it