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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: Kaepernick Started something, it appears.
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2016, 05:34:51 PM »
The next time I ATTEND an NFL game, (or ANY event, where the announcer has asked us to stand and pay or respects in singing the National Anthem) you can bet I'll be standing with everyone else who recognizes those that defend this country, and those that died doing so.  It's a sign of solidarity.

So you have no sense of solidarity when watching at home?
A fine patriot you are!
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Re: Kaepernick Started something, it appears.
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2016, 05:45:08 PM »
I am pretty sure that police abuse actually used to be WORSE, but now that so many people  have a camera they have toned it down a bit. In the old days, they would just shoot the guy and then put a gun in his hand and report it as an assault on a cop.
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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2016, 05:46:10 PM »
Of course not....I'm at home.  Solidarity of ONE?  oy vey  ::)  The attendence of a live event, is where the National Anthem is used, and the solidarity of all those around sharing in the moment is what makes those events special. 
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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2016, 08:19:21 PM »
How many people would you have to have surrounding you for you to stand and be patriotic, sirs?

It takes ten people to make a minyan in Judaism.
If you are Orthodox or Ultra Orthodox, they all must be men

How many does it take for sirs to get off his butt and honor the flag?
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2016, 09:12:15 PM »
Number of people is irrelevant. (or in your attempted case, a deflection).  It's the location & situation that makes the event relevant

In other words, I'm patriotic ALL the time.  I however don't stand everywhere I am.  I do stand and honor those who serve, defend, and sacrifice, at events, when we're asked to
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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2016, 10:19:37 PM »
I do stand and honor those who serve, defend, and sacrifice, at events, when we're asked to

You are one obedient little dipstick.
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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2016, 10:35:24 PM »
You're entitled to your twisted interpretation.  I consider it honoring those who serve, defend, and have sacrificed themselves for your right to be a socialist ass
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2016, 01:15:51 AM »
How many people would you have to have surrounding you for you to stand and be patriotic, sirs?

It takes ten people to make a minyan in Judaism.
If you are Orthodox or Ultra Orthodox, they all must be men

How many does it take for sirs to get off his butt and honor the flag?



   That seems like about the right number, in smaller groups appreaciations can be more detailed and verbal.

      I agree that individuals have a right as American citizens to refuse participation in ceremonies and songs that honor our country.

       I don't agree with Kaepernick that he is doing something constructive.

        White people are perfectly aware that there is a danger in facing a policeman, especially men counting men only the police kill about twice as many white ones as black ones.

         This does not lead to white people sitting through the anthem to protest the treatment , it would seem silly , the flag is not the representation of the police or the government , it is the representation of the people .

       What Kaepernick is doing is reinforcing the idea that the default citizen of the USA is white and that he is an outsider, this is not progressive of him.

        Fredrick Douglas gave a very famous Fourth of July speech in which he complained of being treated as less than second class and how little his freedom was respected , he was demanding inclusion. Kaepernick is almost doing the opposite, as if there had been no real progress since the 1850s when Fredrick Douglas made his complaint.

         Since then there have been Black Cowboys and Buffalo Soldiers spearheading the settlement of the West , civil rights struggles that shaped the careers of "Black" Jack Pershing and the Army. The Tuskegee Airmen racked up one of the best records of any combat fighter group after having to pretty much fight their way into the training.

       There is a huge number of Black people who are Veterans , Active duty and are police at this time .

         I would like to say that the days in which White people owned the citizenship of the US are ending , and I would .

          But there seems to be a little move in the other direction , to firm up the wall between being Black and being one of us.


                  Kaepernick is laying brick.

       

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Re: Kaepernick Started something, it appears.
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2016, 11:57:43 AM »
I have no idea what the EFFECTIVENESS of his protest will be.
He has stated what his conditions are to stop sitting down when the play the national anthem.
I read it and I understand what he thinks he can accomplish.
Most of his critics have not read what he has said and therefore their comments are without a serious basis.

As I said, it is an ideal way to protest, as it is as nonviolent as can be, while it gets noticed by the people who should notice it.

It has not affected sirs, but sirs is a dogwhistle racist and a dummy.
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Re: Kaepernick Started something, it appears.
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2016, 12:02:30 PM »
And whoever claimed it should affect me in any way??  I'm merely exercising my 1st amendment right in highlighting how ignorant and ungrateful his form of prtoest is, along with your ongoing record of erroenous proclamations

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