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Michael Tee

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Just plain old-fashioned common sense.  Like a breath of fresh air after all the rightwing bullshit you get in this forum.  Common sense and simple truths.  The spin in this room was making me nauseous.

March 1, 2007
Americans Have Lost Their Country
 
by Paul Craig Roberts
The Bush-Cheney regime is America's first neoconservative regime. In a few short years, the regime has destroyed the Bill of Rights, the separation of powers, the Geneva Conventions, and the remains of America's moral reputation along with the infrastructures of two Muslim countries and countless thousands of Islamic civilians. Plans have been prepared, and forces moved into place, for an attack on a third Islamic country, Iran, and perhaps Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon as well.

This extraordinary aggressiveness toward the US Constitution, international law, and the Islamic world is the work, not of a vast movement, but of a handful of ideologues – principally Vice President Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Lewis Libby, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Zalmay Khalilzad, John Bolton, Philip Zelikow, and Attorney General Gonzales. These are the main operatives who have controlled policy. They have been supported by their media shills at the Weekly Standard, National Review, Fox News, New York Times, CNN, and the Wall Street Journal editorial page and by "scholars" in assorted think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute.

The entirety of their success in miring the United States in what could become permanent conflict in the Middle East is based on the power of propaganda and the big lie.

Initially, the 9/11 attack was blamed on Osama bin Laden, but after an American puppet was installed in Afghanistan, the blame for 9/11 was shifted to Iraq's Saddam Hussein, who was said to have weapons of mass destruction that would be used against America. The regime sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to tell the lie to the UN that the Bush-Cheney regime had conclusive proof of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

Having conned the UN, Congress, and the American people, the regime invaded Iraq under totally false pretenses and with totally false expectations. The regime's occupation of Iraq has failed in a military sense, but the neoconservatives are turning their failure into a strategic advantage. At the beginning of this year President Bush began blaming Iran for America's embarrassing defeat by a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq.

Bush accuses Iran of arming the Iraqi insurgents, a charge that experts regard as improbable. The Iraqi insurgents are Sunni. They inflict casualties on our troops, but spend most of their energy killing Iraqi Shi'ites, who are closely allied with Iran, which is Shi'ite. Bush's accusation requires us to believe that Iran is arming the enemies of its allies.

On the basis of this absurd accusation – a pure invention – Bush has ordered a heavy concentration of aircraft carrier attack forces off Iran's coast, and he has moved US attack planes to Turkish bases and other US bases in countries contingent to Iran.

In testimony before Congress on February 1 of this year, former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski said that he expected the regime to orchestrate a "head-on conflict with Iran and with much of the world of Islam at large." He said a plausible scenario was "a terrorist act blamed on Iran, culminating in a 'defensive' US military action against Iran." He said that the neoconservative propaganda machine was already articulating a "mythical historical narrative" for widening their war against Islam.

Why is the US spending one trillion dollars on wars, the reasons for which are patently false. What is going on?

There are several parts to the answer. Like their forebears among the Jacobins of the French Revolution, the Bolsheviks of the communist revolution, and the National Socialists of Hitler's revolution, neoconservatives believe that they have a monopoly on virtue and the right to impose hegemony on the rest of the world. Neoconservative conquests began in the Middle East because oil and Israel, with which neocons are closely allied, are both in the Middle East.

The American oil giant, UNOCAL, had plans for an oil and gas pipeline through Afghanistan, but the Taliban were not sufficiently cooperative. The US invasion of Afghanistan was used to install Hamid Karzai, who had been on UNOCAL's payroll, as puppet prime minister. US neoconservative Zalmay Khalilzad, who also had been on UNOCAL's payroll, was installed as US ambassador to Afghanistan.

Two years later Khalilzad was appointed US ambassador to Iraq. American oil companies have been given control over the exploitation of Iraq's oil resources.

The Israeli relationship is perhaps even more important. In 1996 Richard Perle and the usual collection of neocons proposed that all of Israel's enemies in the Middle East be overthrown. "Israel's enemies" consist of the Muslim countries not in the hands of US puppets or allies. For decades Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians such that today there is not enough of Palestine left to comprise an independent country. The US and Israeli governments blame Iran, Iraq, and Syria for aiding and abetting Palestinian resistance to Israel's theft of Palestine.

The Bush-Cheney regime came to power with the plans drawn to attack the remaining independent countries in the Middle East and with neoconservatives in office to implement the plans. However, an excuse was required. Neoconservatives had called for "a new Pearl Harbor," and 9/11 provided the propaganda event needed in order to stampede the public and Congress into war. Neoconservative Philip Zelikow was put in charge of the 9/11 Commission Report to make certain no uncomfortable facts emerged.

The neoconservatives have had enormous help from the corporate media, from Christian evangelicals, particularly from the "Rapture Evangelicals," from flag-waving superpatriots, and from the military-industrial complex whose profits have prospered. But the fact remains that the dozen men named in the second paragraph above were able to overthrow the US Constitution and launch military aggression under the guise of a preventive/preemptive "war against terrorism."

When the American people caught on that the "war on terror" was a cloak for wars of aggression, they put Democrats in control of Congress in order to apply a brake to the regime's warmongering. However, the Democrats have proven to be impotent to stop the neoconservative drive to wider war and, perhaps, world conflagration.

We are witnessing the triumph of a dozen evil men over American democracy and a free press.

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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 11:21:39 AM »
The American oil giant, UNOCAL, had plans for an oil and gas pipeline through Afghanistan, but the Taliban were not sufficiently cooperative. The US invasion of Afghanistan was used to install Hamid Karzai, who had been on UNOCAL's payroll, as puppet prime minister. US neoconservative Zalmay Khalilzad, who also had been on UNOCAL's payroll, was installed as US ambassador to Afghanistan.

This one jumped out at me. In reality, UNOCAL had dropped these plans in 1998.

As of today, they are not doing business in, nor do they have any pipeline plans for, Afghanistan.
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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 11:41:06 AM »
<<This one jumped out at me. In reality, UNOCAL had dropped these plans in 1998.>>

But we all know that "dropped" plans can be "dusted off" for later use.

Wonder if the plans were "dropped" due to the unreliability of the Afghan government at the time.  Maybe they didn't trust the Afghan armed forces, such as they were, to be suitable guardians of their precious pipes and pumps.  But, then, miraculously, things started to change in Afghanistan.  Better soldiers than the Afghan National Army began to appear.  How wonderful for UNOCAL.  How long before their "dropped" plans are due for a good "dusting off?"  I'll bet it happens before the shooting stops.

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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 11:58:31 AM »
But, then, miraculously, things started to change in Afghanistan.  Better soldiers than the Afghan National Army began to appear.  How wonderful for UNOCAL.  How long before their "dropped" plans are due for a good "dusting off?"  I'll bet it happens before the shooting stops.

Not likely, unless Hillary gets into office.

It was, after all, the Clinton Administration that was pushing the pipeline idea.
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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 12:00:26 PM »
That sounds logical.  The Clintons had their hand in everything, from Vince Foster's assassination to the top-level decision-making in the UNOCAL boardroom.

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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 12:03:07 PM »
That sounds logical.  The Clintons had their hand in everything, from Vince Foster's assassination to the top-level decision-making in the UNOCAL boardroom.

Don't forget Enron.
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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 12:30:57 PM »
That sounds logical.  The Clintons had their hand in everything, from Vince Foster's assassination to the top-level decision-making in the UNOCAL boardroom.

Don't forget Enron.

Ouch       :D
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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2007, 01:37:53 PM »
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a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq.
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Oh?  Are only a few thousand Iriquis fighing us?


I agree with this supposition.

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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 09:00:06 PM »
<<Ouch>>

Let me explain something for you, sirs.

 I was making a little joke about the right-wing paranoid fantasies regarding the Clintons.  Repeating the absurd lies (as if I were dead serious, as if I were a Republican true believer) that the Clintons "had their hand in everything" from the Vince Foster assassination to the UNOCAL boardroom.  A joke at Ami's expense, actually.  For reasons that you obviously don't get, but I can't explain everything to you.  It's sufficient that you understand a joke was being made.

Ami, in his good-humoured way, went along with the joke.  He extended it - - I had given two absurd examples of the Clintons' nefarious activity, he gave a third (Enron.)  That was supposed to be funny, sirs.  It was funny.  Everyone got the joke.  Except one person, apparently.

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2007, 09:10:38 PM »
<<Oh?  Are only a few thousand Iriquis fighing us?   I agree with this supposition.>>

You should read it again before you agree with it so quickly, plane:  << . . . Bush began blaming Iran for America's embarrassing defeat by a few thousand lightly armed insurgents in Iraq.>>

The fighting edge of the insurgency may well be "a few thousand lightly armed insurgents" but like Mao's guerrilla armies, they move about in a sea of supportive people who may be unarmed but can provide all kinds of services for them.  You may only be fighting a few thousand armed men (although who knows that for sure, who's counted them?) but you are trying to subdue an entire nation.

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2007, 10:20:14 PM »
I was making a little joke about the right-wing paranoid fantasies regarding the Clintons.  Repeating the absurd lies (as if I were dead serious, as if I were a Republican true believer) that the Clintons "had their hand in everything" from the Vince Foster assassination to the UNOCAL boardroom.  A joke at Ami's expense, actually.  For reasons that you obviously don't get, but I can't explain everything to you.  It's sufficient that you understand a joke was being made.

Oh I get the joke.  It's basically everything being posted with the handle Michael Tee.  But seriously, Ami quite artfully, demonstrated the absurdity of your joke, by adding the Enron reference, thus the "ouch", on my part.  Do try to keep up     
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2007, 10:51:05 PM »
The absurdity of my joke was what made it a joke.  It required no further demonstration that it was absurd, since everyone understood the intended absurdity from the beginning.  (Well, almost everyone)  Ami went along with the joke by adding further absurdity, not by introducing absurdity as a novel element.  If you still don't understand the situation, best not to strain what you are pleased to refer to as your mind any further.  Just take another two "Excedrins" or whatever those pills really are that you are popping.

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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2007, 01:29:48 AM »
The absurdity of my joke was what made it a joke.  It required no further demonstration that it was absurd, since everyone understood the intended absurdity from the beginning.  

Yes, it was absurd with the innuendo of the right believing that the Clintons were involved in everything that went wrong/bad/illegal.  Made even more absurd by Ami's addition.  Again, try to keep up
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Re: Common Sense - from a former member of Ronald Reaga's cabinet
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2007, 02:32:33 AM »
The absurdity of my joke was what made it a joke.  It required no further demonstration that it was absurd, since everyone understood the intended absurdity from the beginning.  (Well, almost everyone)  Ami went along with the joke by adding further absurdity, not by introducing absurdity as a novel element.  If you still don't understand the situation, best not to strain what you are pleased to refer to as your mind any further.  Just take another two "Excedrins" or whatever those pills really are that you are popping.

Why is this so funny?

Was Enron saintly during the Clinton administration? Did Clinton escew cotact with the Enron brass?

Did Vince Foster kill himself? Why?

Now what is "is" ,that was funny.


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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2007, 09:37:12 AM »
<<Yes, it was absurd with the innuendo of the right believing that the Clintons were involved in everything that went wrong/bad/illegal. >>

No such innuendo and it wasn't necessary either to make the joke funny or to further the argument the joke was originally meant to resolve.  The joke couldn't have been appreciated by Ami if he didn't already grasp the absurdity of its premise.

When Ami reminded me that the UNOCAL pipeline plan was prepared during the Clinton administration, the point of the joke (that the Clinton administration was not the originator of the plan) could only be made if both Ami and myself understood the absurdity of the Clintons being everywhere and having a hand in everything.  The activities of the Clintons as described in the joke were obviously absurd enough.  If Ami had been arguing against my point, he would have been obliged to blunt the idea behind the joke, not add to it.

But this is my last effort to straighten out your thoughts on this.  If by now, you still don't get it, I'm done.  Whether or not you respond to this.