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The value of suffering
« on: September 23, 2016, 01:59:44 PM »
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Re: The value of suffering
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2016, 06:13:01 PM »
Was there ever better care available to the people Mother Theresa cared for?

If she was preventing these people from going to better hospitals I would understand this joke better.

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2016, 10:52:36 PM »
Well, Mother Teresa collected tons of money for her hospices and she sent most of it on to the Church, rather than spend it on things like doctors, medicine or painkillers. That is the most usual criticism of her.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 01:50:17 PM »
And who exactly is criticising her??    ???
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 04:25:47 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 04:28:27 PM »
Well, that's a bunch of idiocy
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2016, 04:33:54 PM »
To you, perhaps. But the facts are pretty well known.
It is impossible to deny that she was obsessed with the idea that suffering was  a positive thing, and the more people suffered, the more godly they were.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2016, 04:38:35 PM »
So was Jesus.......and?
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2016, 04:46:11 PM »
Jesus was said to perform miracles to ALLEVIATE suffering. He made the crippled to walk, the blind to see, the lepers to be cured.

Jesus himself was supposed to suffer, because we humans were very, very bad. Our first ancestors paid too much attention to a talking snake, after all. And after that, it just got worse and worse.

God did his best to improve Mankind, by drowning damned near all of us. But that didn't work, either, we were so really really bad.

And of course, the only way to deal with all that badness is for God to have himself  (or God, Jr., there is a bit of controversy about exactly what God is)nailed to a cross. That is perfectly logical, right?
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Like God is actually Three entities and one entity at the same time... totally logical.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2016, 04:49:28 PM »
Jesus made clear that he advocated people leave their worldy possessions, and to literally embrace poverty.  Point being you're apparently in that camp that is critical of Mother Theresa??  Seriously??
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2016, 06:23:19 PM »
I have not taken any vow of poverty, and I see no virtue in poverty or suffering, If Mother Teresa (who was born with a name other than Teresa - the Albanian equivalent of Agnes- and was no one's mother)  received money to alleviate suffering and spent it on something else. then she was a fraud in my book.

As for Jesus, the information we have about him was secondhand at best. As I have said many times, he should have written his own gospel. I don't consider it possible for the Bible to be accurate, as it contradicts itself on many, many matters.

The Christian religion is a much heavier dose of Paul than  Jesus, and I have little respect for Paul. He was a publicist and was clearly more interested in publicity and winning converts than the truth.

The Jewish description of what a Messiah should be is very different from what the Christian religion says a messiah was.
The Jewish Messiah was a military leader who defeats the enemies of the Hebrews and then becomes king, A king like David, a mortal. That was clearly not what Jesus was.

The closest person  to being an actual  Messiah was Shimon Bar Kokhba, who actually drove the Romans out of Israel in 132 CE. He ruled until the Romans returned with a bigger army in 135, and was killed. After that, Jerusalem was destroyed and Jews were evicted. His name means "Son of the Star", He was reputedly a badass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_bar_Kokhba




Nowhere in the Jewish religion does any human become born as an actual son of God.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2016, 06:47:40 PM »
Has nothing to do with any vows you have or haven't take, Professor Deflection.  The issue is you are apparently of the mindset in criticising, of all people, Mother Theresa.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2016, 07:03:05 PM »
And I am somehow banned from criticizing Mother Teresa? Is there a law against it?

How about you, Good Christian sirs? Have you taken your vow of poverty? Do you think you gain holiness as a result of suffering?

That is the topic, isn't it? Proposed:"Suffering is a good thing: people who suffer are greatly improved by suffering."

How about The Donald. He doesn't do a lot of suffering. He claims that he never has done anything to seek forgiveness for, either.

Being The Donald means never having to say you are sorry. Except rhetorically.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2016, 07:46:09 PM »
Dr Deflection strikes again......no one said, or even inferred you're not allowed to criticize Mother Theresa.  Simply that you get no immunity from being criticized for criticising, of all people, Mother Theresa
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Re: The value of suffering
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2016, 08:33:30 PM »
Paul thanked God for his own suffering, he didn't wish it on anyone , but clearly considered it as a part of his life and growth.

Everyone suffers , it really is unavoidable, there isn't much need to create any extra.


Mother Teresa lived a simple life herself and her quarters were the most modest in the building.

If she contributed to the church , that is very ordinary, it is expected.