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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 01:12:17 PM »
Looks like the scum-bag Vegas shooter that died of a "severe headache" had someone else in his room,
girlfriend was supposedly out of the country....so who was this visitor?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-room-before-shooting/
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2017, 04:29:14 PM »
On a related tangent, here's another thing that "doesn't add up".  The left, its pundits and political sychophants keep trying to paint the GOP as in the pocket of the NRA.  That the NRA has "bought and payed for" pretty much anything related to gun legislation

Easy to say that....hard to support it.  It would seem that the amount of money politicians receive from the NRA is a fraction of other leftist super PAC's.  Even when you combine all the axillary smaller gun organizations, with the NRA, they're dwarphed by these super PAC's that give to both parties.

So how is it that the NRA's small pittence of donations rules the GOP, but the far more mass amounts of money that the Unions, or Planned Parenthood, or even the Super PAC EMILY'S group, who all EACH give more in donations than the NRA, somehow doesn't own the DC Democrats??
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2017, 11:44:26 AM »
these topics do not negate themselves so it`s easy to ignore. The NRA just seems that way due to it`s members tends lean to oneside which abit more unfair since very few or no group is truely neutral

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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2017, 03:43:13 PM »
Sirs this article echoes your statement:



The true secret of the NRA's success

October 5, 2017

An old rule of thumb holds that when someone says it's not about the money, it's really about the money.

But there are exceptions to almost every rule. The National Rifle Association is a case in point.

In the wake of the horror in Las Vegas this week, countless politicians, journalists and commentators are insisting that the National Rifle Association has a "stranglehold" on the Republican Party. Hillary Clinton claimed that the GOP-controlled Congress simply does "whatever they are told to do" by the NRA and the gun lobby.

The Washington Post and New York Times laid out splashy reports chronicling how much money the NRA has given to Republican congressmen. "Since 1998, the National Rifle Association has donated $3,533,294 to current members of Congress," the Post reported in 2016.

The New York Times listed total NRA donations to certain GOP politicians alongside their statements offering condolences and prayers for the victims in Las Vegas. And the op-ed pages have been suffused with claims that the NRA has bought Republicans with blood money, stifling the popular will and thwarting democracy in the process.

There's just one problem: It's not true.

Oh, it's certainly the case that the NRA and related groups have given a good amount of money to Republican politicians (and quite a few Democrats) over the years. But in the grubby bazaar of politician-buying, the NRA is a bit player.

Consider that $3.5 million in donations over nearly 20 years the Washington Post made such a fuss about. According to Opensecrets.org, the legal profession contributed $207 million to politicians in 2016 alone. Fahr LLC, the outfit that oversees the political and philanthropic efforts of billionaire anti-global-warming activist Ton Steyer, gave $90 million (all to Democrats) in 2016.

In terms of lobbying and political contributions, the NRA and the gun industry generally spend next to nothing compared with the big players.

According to OpenSecrets, the NRA spent $1.1 million on contributions in 2016 and $3 million on lobbying. The food and beverage industry has spent $14 million on lobbying in 2017 alone. Alphabet, Google's parent company, spent $9 million on contributions in 2016.

In fairness, NRA-related outside PACs do bundle a good deal more cash, but it's still a fraction of what big labor and the trial lawyers pony up. All NRA-related outside expenditures in 2016 added up to about $54 million. A single liberal super PAC, Priorities USA, spent $133 million.

Some people, even when they know these numbers, still can't let go of the idea that opposition to gun control is bought and paid for.

Tim Mullaney, a writer for Marketwatch, wrote a richly detailed essay in which he chronicled just how minuscule the NRA's financial support is, and how small the entire gun industry is, and yet he still concluded it has to be about the money. He writes that "it's shocking when you realize that it costs only $2,500 per each of the 22,000 or so gun-murder victims of the last election cycle to make Congress cower and refuse to tighten gun rules."

Part of the problem, I think, is that people who hate guns and gun rights cannot believe that people disagree with them in good faith. There must be evil motives, chiefly greed, that explain everything.

The simple reality is that the NRA doesn't need to spend a lot of money convincing politicians to protect gun rights. All it needs to do is spend a little money clarifying that a great many of those politicians' constituents care deeply about gun rights.

If you don't know anyone who has a gun, you live in a bubble.

Four out of 10 Americans have a gun in their household, according to a Pew Research Center survey. Seventy-three percent of gun owners say they can't imagine not owning a gun. A quarter of gun owners say having a gun is very important to their overall identity.

This is why gun control is a great issue for Democratic fundraising, but an even better issue for Republican get-out-the-vote efforts. Politicians understand that.

Politicians may be craven (it's often the safest assumption), but their priority is winning elections. Money-grubbing is a means to that end. And so is vote-grubbing. Maybe some politicians secretly favor stricter controls on guns. But what keeps them from pursuing such restrictions isn't cash from the NRA; it's votes from their passionate constituents.

In other words, don?t follow the money, follow the votes.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/05/the-true-secret-of-the-nras-success/
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 07:54:03 PM »
BINGO!
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2017, 05:32:45 PM »
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2017, 05:40:20 PM »
Looks like the scum-bag Vegas shooter that died of a "severe headache" had someone else in his room,
girlfriend was supposedly out of the country....so who was this visitor?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-room-before-shooting/

INFOWARS?  Seriously?
Most likely someone assumed there were two people because of the size of the order.
Alex Jones makes up crap. Why would anyone take Alex Jones seriously?
The NRA makes big bucks on advertising, but the staff are clearly gun nuts as well.
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2017, 05:57:42 PM »
The shooter was seriously mentally ill and allowed to own a huge arsenal and get it up to a perfect place to kill a lot of people.
The cannot find a motive. but perhaps the motive lies in the psyche of this shooter, and he is dead.
If there was a second person in the room, the cops would know this by now, so if there was one, they are hiding it.
I don't think this is likely.
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 05:47:14 AM »
why so much secrecy?
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Re: Vegas mass murder doesn't add up
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 04:09:58 PM »
So, here's a good place to repost my "theory":

I don't see him as "seriously mentally ill".  You can't amass his level of financial success with being so mentally ill.  This fella was meticulous, and apparently had been working on this "project" for some time.  He scoped out other places, purchased his firearms legally, passed every manner of background check.   Notice he didn't fire on a black church, or Islamic temple, so he took racism & terrorism off the option list.  He fired on a group of largely white country music fans.

So, what was his motive?

Putting aside the highly questionable conspiracy-generatingLook how fast even the NRA was  time-line changes, the only one that works for me has to do with the amount of weapons he amassed in that room.  No way in hell he was going to use all those weapons, and all that ammo, so why bother hauling them all up into that room?  He didn't even use them in any sort of firefight with the police, despite all that firepower in his room.  Took his own life with 1 bullet.... from a pistol.  What works the most for me, is an anti-gun agenda.  One that tried to show how he could amass such a number of weapons.  Look how fast even the NRA was ok with increased regulations (on bump-stocks).  He managed to galvanize a mass majority of folks to consider increased gun control.  The ridiculous Feinstein "pseudo"-Assault weapons ban is even now back in play

Let's remember.....the leftist playbook is to push laws/regulations that have no intention to fix the issue, only to promote even greater laws/regulations, that also have no intention of addressing the issue, to leave us with the proclamation of a full Governmental take-over.  They've been doing it with Healthcare, and with Obamcare designed to implode, as its doing, you have the left, pushed by the likes of Sanders, proclaiming the need for full on Socialized Healthcare take-over.  And they might even be successful. 

The left has been doing that with guns for decades, but that damn 2nd amendment keeps getting in the way.  Note how every one of these so-called Gun control measures, that keep being pushed would have not stopped even one of these mass shootings.  But they keep pushing them.  Why....because if they get them passed, and we find that they didn't work (which they wouldn't), out comes the leftist playbook again, and out comes more cries for more gun control laws.....and then more....with none of them working to stem any of these mass shootings.....until folks like Sanders proclaim we're just going to have to ban guns.  Its an ends justifying the means approach.  It's not about saving lives.....never has been with the left, socialists & fascists.  It's about control.  Once the Government controls healthcare and the ability for the citizens to defend themselves, its over.  The Greatest country in modern day history will have come to an end.  If Clinton were president, and she managed to get a hard core liberal Justice on the Supreme Court, its likely that following the Las Vegas shooting, the 2nd amendment would have been stripped of its function

Thank God and our Founders for the Constitution & 2nd amendment
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